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To: MarkBsnr
When you can find the Nicene formula in Paul, please present it.

Sigh...Mark, Mark, Mark...I really do like you very much. We HAVE been here before, I know you must remember. I will post this again, just for you:

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

And,

Romans 8:9-11
9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

I Cor. 3:16
16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

I Cor. 6:19
19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

II Tim. 1:14
14By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

I am beginning to think that you don't bother to look up or even read the Scripture I post to you on this. I am disappointed. If you are looking for the exact words that are found in the Nicene Creed, then I can't help you. But you cannot truthfully deny that Paul was not a believer in the trinity. From where DO you think those who wrote the creed got the idea? You wont find the Apostles Creed verbatim in Scripture either, but you know where those truths came from, too.

1,239 posted on 06/22/2010 7:44:21 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
Sigh...Mark, Mark, Mark...I really do like you very much. We HAVE been here before, I know you must remember.

I do. It will take God to open your eyes; it is beyond me.

2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

And this, by itself, contains the Nicene formula? Please show me.

Romans 8:9-11 9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

By itself, it sounds like the Spirit is a messenger of God, rather than God, and that Jesus is lesser than God, who raised Him. Not Nicene at all.

I Cor. 3:16 16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

What is God's Spirit, in this context? A messenger of God?

I Cor. 6:19 19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Ditto. Not Nicene at all.

II Tim. 1:14 14By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

Ditto again.

I am beginning to think that you don't bother to look up or even read the Scripture I post to you on this. I am disappointed. If you are looking for the exact words that are found in the Nicene Creed, then I can't help you. But you cannot truthfully deny that Paul was not a believer in the trinity.

BB; you are sola scriptura; you cannot appeal to emotional beliefs. You must post from Scripture and Scripture alone. There is none of Paul's Scripture that explicitly states the Nicene formula of God. Paul even calls Jesus a man, rather than God numerous times. I am not, as a particular useful idiot accused me, a believer that Paul was anti Trinitarian. I do say, though, that based upon the Pauline writings of Scripture, that he never supports the idea of the Triune God that Christians today believe in. It was a more simple belief - that God the Father was THE GOD, and that Jesus was subordinate to God the Father. It seems as if Paul's revelation was not entirely communicated as the Nicene Council later decided.

1,521 posted on 06/23/2010 5:11:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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