Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
Next it will be: “Except for THOSE verses show me where.....”
It will...been there.
B. "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the Grace of God which is given me to you-ward; how that BY REVELATION He made known unto me the mystery". (Eph.3:1-3)
C. "For I have RECEIVED OF THE LORD that which also I delivered unto you". (1 Cor. 11:23).
D. "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also RECEIVED". (1 Cor.15:3).
E."For this we say unto you by the WORD OF THE LORD.." (1 Thes. 4:15).
F. "..I (Jesus Christ) have APPEARED UNTO THEE(Paul) for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of THESE THINGS WHICH THOU HAST SEEN, AND OF THOSE THINGS IN THE WHICH I WILL APPEAR UNTO THEE". (Acts26:16).
G. "And it came to pass, that when I come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance ; AND SAW HIM SAYING UNTO ME, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning Me".(Acts22:17,18). "it is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to VISIONS and REVELATIONS of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fouteen years ago, (whethervin the body, I cannot tell; or whether out the body I cannot tell:God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven And I know such a man, whether in the body or our of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory:yet not of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool for I will say the truth but now I forebear,lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or heareth me to be.And lest I should be exalted above measure through the ABUNDANCE OF THE REVELATIONS,there was given me a thorn.."(2 Cor.12:1-7).
I. "For I have RECEIVED OF THE LORD THAT WHICH ALSO I DELIVERED UNTO YOU.." (1 Cor. 11:23).
YEA!
That fits better, for me, too.
Thx.
Oh, vis a vis the request of our FRiend, Sister . . .
2 Corinthians 3:2-4 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2 Corinthians 12:8-10 (King James Version)
8For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Galatians 1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Galatians 1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Ephesians 3:3-5 (King James Version)
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
1 Timothy 1:11-13 (King James Version)
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Next it will be: “Except for THOSE verses show me where.....”
INDEED.
Sigh.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! THX.
That means he regards the Bible as his only rule of faith and practice who knows he has been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on his behalf, his only Mediator, Redeemer, King, Savior and Lord.
lol. Anything to disagree. Next you'll be telling us the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. And with great conviction, no doubt.
As usual, your defense of your faith is muddled and littered with errors.
Well, who do you think is speaking in Isaiah 28:11??
Fill in the blank. Who is speaking in Isaiah 28:17? ___________________
I picked a verse, one out of many that could be adduced, (many examples have already been provided by others here) that meets your criteria:
1. Paul quoting God.
2. "in support of his writings".
1. In I Corinthians 14:21 Paul quotes from Isaiah 28:11 to prove a point. That satisfies your criteria, "in support of his writings"
2. Paul substitutes "says the Lord" in his quotation, which is incoherent without the assumption that the Scripture he quoted was God speaking.
3. It necessarily follows that when he quoted Isaiah 28:11 he was quoting God.
Conclusion: Paul is quoting God when he quotes Isaiah 28:11; as he makes unmistakably clear with, "... says the Lord"
Those words constitute, to use your terminology, "direct quotes from God".
Cordially,
Understandable hellenism, coming from Greek St. Luke; possibly also addressed to a non-Jew, and hence indeed spoken in Greek. Since St. Dismas was promised to be with Christ we understand that he was to be in His Kingdom, whatever the toponymy, and whatever detours Christ Himself was to take on His way.
The important point for us to understand though is that his good works (vv. 40, 41) preceded his conversion (v.42).
It is an interesting comment coming from an Eastern Orthodox.
I don't think Christ in in charge of the diverse communities of faith that broke off as the result of the so-called reformation. The prima facie evidence of that is the abandonment of the scripture that they all are guilty of to one degree or another.
For punctuation, another test is needed anyway.
The Church has laws, but the Church does noo claim them to be salvific. You will be saved if you imitate Christ in your life. If you break canon laws -- or to that matter any just civil law -- you will commit a sin and so fail to imitate Him.
no NT priesthood
Accroding to the Bible, it is: Luke 22:19, 1 Timothy 4:14, Matthew 28:18-20.
further sacrifices for sin (no penance either, or purgatory..no sacrifice for sin anymore )
The Mass is not a "further" sacrifice. It is simply the Sacrifice at the Golgotha. Both penance and prugatory are in the scripture; penance is all over it; the Purgatory is functionally explained in 1 Cor 3:8-15.
not from your OFFICIAL source the church
You need proof that the Church teaches what I explain? I thought our argument was whether the Catohlic doctrines are in accordance with the scripture. If you doubt that the Catholic doctrines are in accordance with the Catholic Church I am wasting my time.
That's hysterical.
On one hand the Catholics criticize Protestants for sola scriptura, relying on the Bible alone, and on the other hand, are now criticizing for abandoning Scripture.
Which is it? Can you guys make up your collective minds and decide which we're really guilty of? Some consistency would be nice.
So, if we all try hard enough, avoid sin, do good works, we can go to heaven?If you avoid sin as you do your good works, yes. Good luck.
So, Jesus died for nothing, if we can make it with Good works?
Who, says we dont perform good works? We were saved to preach the Gospel and to perform good works.
“”Praise God before my FIL died he became a Born Again Christian.””
Was your Father in Law attending EO Divine Liturgy and practicing EO faith before his stroke? If so,he was already fine.
Your Father in law was Baptized Eastern Orthodox,so he was already born again and if he gained Salvation it came through the Mystical Body of Christ,not by the modernist version of the words “born again”.
From Early Christianity...
“And in the Gospel our Lord Jesus Christ spoke with His divine voice, saying, “Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” This is the Spirit which from the beginning was borne over the waters; for neither can the Spirit operate without the water, nor the water without the Spirit...Unless therefore they receive saving baptism in the Catholic Church, which is one, they cannot be saved, but will be condemned with the carnal in the judgment of the Lord Christ.” Council of Carthage VII (A.D. 258).
” ‘And dipped himself,’ says [the Scripture], ‘seven times in Jordan.’ It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but it served as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.’” Irenaeus, Fragment, 34 (A.D. 190).
For Christ also said, ‘Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.’ Now, that it is impossible for those who have once been born to enter into their mothers’ wombs, is manifest to all. And how those who have sinned and repent shall escape their sins, is declared by Esaias the prophet, as I wrote above; he thus speaks: ‘Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from your souls; learn to do well…And though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool; and though they be as crimson, I will make them white as snow...And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. Since at our birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we may not remain the children of necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge, and may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the layer the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone…And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings. And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed.” Justin Martyr, First Apology, 61 (A.D. 110-165).
“Moreover, the things proceeding from the waters were blessed by God, that this also might be a sign of men’s being destined to receive repentance and remission of sins, through the water and laver of regeneration,—as many as come to the truth, and are born again, and receive blessing from God.” Theopilus of Antioch, To Autolycus, 2:16 (A.D.
Not really, his wife was RC and the children were raised RC. Now by the Grace of God his daughter has become a Born Again Christian and his son is a deist, but we are talking.
I don't think Christ in in charge of the diverse communities of faith that broke off as the result of the so-called reformation.
Being stuck on the wrong side of the Cross trying to work your way into heaven probably accounts for this thinking.
It wouldn't matter he wasn't saved. He never heard The Gospel until he started going to church with us. As these threads so clearly illustrate and so many EO & RC posters argue your churches preach a different gospel. Your church always adds a "but", "and", or "maybe" on the end of The Gospel.
My wife experienced the same thing as her Father. She started going to church with me and heard The Gospel. She then believed, was saved and became a Born Again Christian. Prior to her conversion she thought of herself as a good person, a RC, but had no idea whether she was going to heaven or not. Today she would tell you she knows she was condemned until she heard The Gospel and believed.
This one makes for a beautiful meditation this morning:
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. - 2 Cor 3:1-3
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. - Matt 5:13-16
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:1-5
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.