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Priests are a gift from the Heart of Christ, Pope Benedict says
CNA ^ | 6/13/2010

Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Judith Anne
Baloney! Christ has already found me and saved me. Paul had nothing to do with it.

For years we've been watching Catholics claim that you guys will have no idea if you'll be saved until it happens (or not) at the last Judgment...

How then can you claim Jesus saved you???

1,381 posted on 06/23/2010 5:41:09 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix

“The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog” happens to be the shortest English sentence that uses every letter of the English alphabet. For that reason it was used to test typewriters. “s back” is redundant. One of your amplifications?


1,382 posted on 06/23/2010 5:42:59 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That’s presuming a bit much.

The rest of the sermon doesn’t misrepresent Calvin.


1,383 posted on 06/23/2010 5:43:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: boatbums
we do not contribute anything to the sacrifice Christ made on our behalf

If we did not have to contribute anything ourselves, we all would be saved no matter what we do. But that is not what the gospel teaches.

1,384 posted on 06/23/2010 5:45:09 AM PDT by annalex
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To: MarkBsnr

But Satan did not give up, did he?

The so-called reformation wa a sever test of the Church. In the end, we won.


1,385 posted on 06/23/2010 5:47:15 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Quix
Is that a POSTING POLICE mentality again?

Absolutely. And in honor of that, here's a little something you can use.....


1,386 posted on 06/23/2010 5:47:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne; RnMomof7
Did you know the efficacy of the sacrament is determined by the INTENT of the priest? So my friend you may have been baptized or confirmed or confessed sin or received communion.without benefit.. it is all about the priest..

I'm pretty sure that is wrong. A perfect God supplies sacramental grace, not an imperfect sinful human.

Uh-oh...

1,387 posted on 06/23/2010 5:52:38 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( DEFENDING the INDEFENSIBLE: The PRIDE of a PAWN.)
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To: boatbums; MarkBsnr; annalex; RnMomof7; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; ...
you could substitute the word "priests" for "pastors" and "Roman Catholic" for "Protestant" and the statement would be entirely applicable and true. Self-aggrandizement, wealth, power, authority, submission of the "laity" were all sins the "Church" was steeped in

The difference is that the authority of the Church is given her by Christ (Luke 22:19, John 20:21-23, Mt 28:18-20). The Protestant pastors are usurpers of power who did not receive their authority from anyone other than the fool who put money in the donation box. They teach the traditions they themselves invented, often agains the clear verdict of the Holy Scripture.

1,388 posted on 06/23/2010 5:53:08 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Titanites; Natural Law; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Petronski; RnMomof7
Protestants, or at least Calvinists, really don’t believe the beatitudes or being charitable applies to them.

Not all Protestans; some branches of Protestantism are quite service oriented. See, for example, the Methodists or Salvation Army. However, all of them are evasive about Mt. 5-7 because read honestly these chapters teach squarely that works play a cardinal role in our faith formation, and are the basis of our salvation.

When pressed, the evasion becomes wholesale denial of these chapters, often in some artful ways. The usual trick is to say that because Jesus spoke to the disciples, they refer to the rewards of the justified rather than to the salvation or condemnation itself. That, of course, denies Mt 25.

Heard of sheep without a shepherd?

1,389 posted on 06/23/2010 5:59:29 AM PDT by annalex
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To: wmfights
it's good to not be a protestant

Very.

1,390 posted on 06/23/2010 6:01:04 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
The so-called reformation wa a sever test of the Church. In the end, we won.

I guess the Catholic Church wasn't sucked into abandoning the corruption in it that Luther spoke against after all, then, was it?

You know, things like the corrupt papacy, indulgences, money grubbing....

1,391 posted on 06/23/2010 6:07:06 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex
But that is not what the gospel teaches.

Which gospel?

1,392 posted on 06/23/2010 6:07:25 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( DEFENDING the INDEFENSIBLE: The PRIDE of a PAWN.)
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To: annalex; boatbums
If we did not have to contribute anything ourselves, we all would be saved no matter what we do. But that is not what the gospel teaches.

And the thief on the cross did exactly what after he put his faith in Christ?

If we have to add anything to the death of Christ, then the death of Christ wasn't good enough. If the death of Christ isn't enough to satisfy God's wrath against sin, how can our righteous deeds, which are as filthy rags in His sight?

When one adds anything to Christ's death, that's the thing that one says confers salvation. It's saying that Christ's death isn't good enough and whatever one adds is what one is putting their trust in for salvation.

1,393 posted on 06/23/2010 6:25:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex
When pressed, the evasion becomes wholesale denial of these chapters, often in some artful ways. The usual trick is to say that because Jesus spoke to the disciples, they refer to the rewards of the justified rather than to the salvation or condemnation itself. That, of course, denies Mt 25.

So, people will get to heaven because of works? Matt 25.

So, if we all try hard enough, avoid sin, do good works, we can go to heaven?

1,394 posted on 06/23/2010 7:37:47 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: metmom
You know, things like the corrupt papacy, indulgences, money grubbing....

Oh, yeah, like Pope Oral Roberts, Bishop Benny Hinn, Cardinal Jimmy Swaggart, those guys? Oh, wait....

1,395 posted on 06/23/2010 7:39:02 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Quix
Some hand cleaner is needed after that mess of a post.


1,396 posted on 06/23/2010 7:39:15 AM PDT by Titanites (Not by Faith Alone)
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To: Quix

Baltimore Catechism..which was the standard until around vat 2


1,397 posted on 06/23/2010 8:22:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Titanites

We have not come up with a Queen of heaven eternal virgin or an assumption or prayer to saints..whole cloth doctrine


1,398 posted on 06/23/2010 8:25:09 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Judith Anne; Quix
needs to complain to God that He is not a God of their liking , they woud prefer a different doctrine.or a different God

lol, and get in line, take a number, now serving number 26 billion.... 26 billion.... 26 billion? 26 billion and one

1,399 posted on 06/23/2010 8:40:14 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: stfassisi; Titanites; Natural Law; MarkBsnr; annalex; metmom; Iscool; boatbums; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Protestants, or at least Calvinists, really don’t believe the beatitudes or being charitable applies to them
The poor hungry and meek do not represent the God of their wrongly formed mind because of John Calvin, so they think the poor hungry and meek lack the grace of God because they are not like Calvin-who was a devil in disguise.

Actually it was not Rome...whos primary interest was in building a castle for the the pope (the Vatican) that began social services, hospitals, and a government that was designed to affirm the dignity of man ..it was the man you call the "devil"

"Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism.

Calvinism stresses self-denial, sobriety, thriftiness, efficiency and morality, which can result in high production and low consumption, creating a surplus that cannot be consumed, which is instead invested for the greater glory of God. Previously, many Christians had regarded excess wealth as immoral. Calvin also advocated that all believers have a calling, not just the clergy, which opened up the possibility of service inside and outside the church and also made faith more relevant to secular life, sanctifying work as a holy activity.

.....On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin's social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women.

new world encyclopedia

1,400 posted on 06/23/2010 8:40:35 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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