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To: stfassisi; Titanites; Natural Law; MarkBsnr; annalex; metmom; Iscool; boatbums; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Protestants, or at least Calvinists, really don’t believe the beatitudes or being charitable applies to them
The poor hungry and meek do not represent the God of their wrongly formed mind because of John Calvin, so they think the poor hungry and meek lack the grace of God because they are not like Calvin-who was a devil in disguise.

Actually it was not Rome...whos primary interest was in building a castle for the the pope (the Vatican) that began social services, hospitals, and a government that was designed to affirm the dignity of man ..it was the man you call the "devil"

"Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism.

Calvinism stresses self-denial, sobriety, thriftiness, efficiency and morality, which can result in high production and low consumption, creating a surplus that cannot be consumed, which is instead invested for the greater glory of God. Previously, many Christians had regarded excess wealth as immoral. Calvin also advocated that all believers have a calling, not just the clergy, which opened up the possibility of service inside and outside the church and also made faith more relevant to secular life, sanctifying work as a holy activity.

.....On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin's social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women.

new world encyclopedia

1,400 posted on 06/23/2010 8:40:35 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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This just gets stranger and stranger. Now hospitals are the work of the “devil”. Here’s another tradition you can mark down for Protestantism.


1,402 posted on 06/23/2010 8:52:17 AM PDT by Titanites (Not by Faith Alone)
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To: RnMomof7
Certainly worth repeating...

"Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism.

Calvinism stresses self-denial, sobriety, thriftiness, efficiency and morality, which can result in high production and low consumption, creating a surplus that cannot be consumed, which is instead invested for the greater glory of God. Previously, many Christians had regarded excess wealth as immoral. Calvin also advocated that all believers have a calling, not just the clergy, which opened up the possibility of service inside and outside the church and also made faith more relevant to secular life, sanctifying work as a holy activity.

.....On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin's social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women.

This isn't just theology. This is basic history. And still Rome has trouble with it.

1,440 posted on 06/23/2010 9:52:56 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7

Actually it was not Rome...whos primary interest was in building a castle for the the pope (the Vatican) that began social services, hospitals, and a government that was designed to affirm the dignity of man ..it was the man you call the “devil”

“Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism.

Calvinism stresses self-denial, sobriety, thriftiness, efficiency and morality, which can result in high production and low consumption, creating a surplus that cannot be consumed, which is instead invested for the greater glory of God. Previously, many Christians had regarded excess wealth as immoral. Calvin also advocated that all believers have a calling, not just the clergy, which opened up the possibility of service inside and outside the church and also made faith more relevant to secular life, sanctifying work as a holy activity.

.....On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin’s social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women.


INDEED.


1,456 posted on 06/23/2010 10:15:57 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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What a mess of a post that was,dear sister.
On one hand you condemn the Catholic Church for building hospital and say it’s from the devil,than you glorify calvin as if he is a God for building a hospital.

This type of garbage is why I spend less and less time here on FR.

I am convinced that calvin is a golden calf in the life of many calvinist from FR

You just proved that once again


1,468 posted on 06/23/2010 11:43:11 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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From your New World Encyclopedia link...

(Calvin's) covenantal or contractual view of church and of society as voluntary associations, with rulers (magistrates) and those who lead chosen by and accountable to the members became the basis of civil society and eventually of political organization in Europe, North America and elsewhere.

On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin's social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women.

If the truth were understood by more people, if schools still taught that our U.S. government was founded directly upon the system of church government Calvin developed in Geneva, Calvin's grave would be a shrine.

Oh, wait, no one knows where his grave is located in Geneva, per his instructions, because he didn't want any part of Rome's rituals of death.

From JOHN CALVIN, THE MAN...

On 2 February 1564, he held his last lecture in the Academy and on the 6th February his last sermon. On 27 May 1564, Calvin died in Geneva. He was buried on 28th May without pomp, and at his wish his grave received no gravestone. So no-one knows anymore exactly where Calvin is buried. In his farewell speech of 28th February 1564, Calvin says in retrospect:

“I have had many weaknesses, which you had to bear, and all that I have done is itself at base worth nothing. Wicked men will no doubt exploit this statement. Thus I repeat once more that all my activity is worth nothing and that I am a wretched creature. I can, to be sure, say of myself that I have intended good, that my mistakes have always displeased me and the fear of God has taken root in my heart. You can confirm that my efforts have been good. Therefore I ask you to forgive me my wickedness. However, if there has been anything good, keep to it and follow it!”

He had accumulated virtually nothing in worldly goods and had declined to receive a higher salary than the other pastors. His will dictated a month before he died left 225 French Crowns and includes these words:

I, John Calvin, servant of the Word of God in Geneva, weakened by many illnesses … thank God that he has shown not only mercy toward me, his poor creature, and … has suffered me in all sins and weaknesses but what is much more that he has made me a partaker of his grace to serve him through my work … I confess to live and die in this faith which he has give me, inasmuch as I have no other hope or refuge than his predestination upon which my entire salvation is grounded. I embrace the grace which he has offered me in our Lord Jesus Christ and accept the merits of his suffering and dying that through them all my sins are buried; and I humbly beg him to wash me and cleanse me with the blood of our great Redeemer, as it was shed for poor sinners so that I, when I shall appear before his face, may bear his likeness.

“Moreover, I declare that I endeavoured to teach his Word undefiled and to expound Holy Scripture faithfully according to the measure of grace which he has given me. In all the disputations which I led against the enemies of the truth, I employed no cunning or any sophistry, but have fought his cause honestly. But, oh, my will, my zeal were so cold and sluggish that I know myself guilty in every respect; without his infinite goodness, all my passionate striving would only be smoke, indeed the grace itself which he gave me would make me even more guilty; thus my only confidence is that he is the Father of mercy who as such desires to reveal himself to such a miserable sinner.

“As for the rest, I desire that after my passing my body be buried according to the customary form in expectancy of the day of the blessed resurrection.”

Beza said: ‘It has pleased God to show us in the life of a single man of our time how to live and how to die.’ Who was Calvin? A man of great gifts who offered his heart to God promptly and sincerely. Yes, that, but more. A man who knew he was a sinner saved by grace alone, and who in consequence unreservedly served his Saviour.


1,525 posted on 06/23/2010 5:22:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Fatalism (of which Calvinism is a subspecies) in combination with materialism can foster capitalism, yes. But can it preserve faith on Earth? Look around yourself.


1,707 posted on 06/24/2010 6:12:16 PM PDT by annalex
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To: RnMomof7
"Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism

Take a look at the Rockefellers-they are forerunners of the Industrial revolution.They are GREED personified and have their hands in diabolical evil including population control.

I see the devil in the very image of John D Rockefeller

Work ethic of hell!

1,720 posted on 06/24/2010 6:54:47 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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