“Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.”
Would you please stop saying heinous things about my Savior. Thank you.
This is exactly what I have been talking about....
SD, it is your OWN faiths “prophets” and leaders saying this.
If you really wanted to stop hearing “heinous” things (and worse) about Jesus Christ and disassociate yourself from such things you would run from Mormonism as fast as you can.
That you don't...
Well...
It is heinous that the Savior may have had more than one wife, but not that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young did?
Seriously Saundra, I wonder how you could ever believe the stuff of Mormonism.
“Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.”
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Yes the mormons do say that He was...
Reaganaut: “Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.”
Sandy: Would you please stop saying heinous things about my savior. Thank you.
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Oh so the guy that said that is your savior ???
Yes that was a heinous thing that the mormons say about Jesus...
Does your bishop know you think that ???
mormons are suppose to “sustain” all the mormon doctriness
Are these words by Mormon Apostles heinous? WAKE UP, SANDY!!!!
“How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed him [Jesus]? In old times, and it is common in this day, the women, even as Sarah, called their husbands Lord; the word Lord is tantamount to husband in some languages, master, lord, husband, are about synonymous... When Mary of old came to the sepulchre on the first day of the week, instead of finding Jesus she saw two angels in white, ‘And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?’ She said unto them,’ Because they have taken away my Lord,’ or husband, ‘and I know not where they have laid him.’ And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.’ Is there not here manifested the affections of a wife. These words speak the kindred ties and sympathies that are common to that relation of husband and wife” (Journal of Discourses 2:81).
“Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified” (Journal of Discourses 2:82).
“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children” (Journal of Discourses 2:210).
Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt agreed with his contemporary when he wrote,
“One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus — such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them — namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives” (The Seer, p.159).
On page 172 of the same book, Pratt wrote,
“We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born... We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable Wives to be married.”
On July 22, 1883, Wilford Woodruff recorded the words of Joseph F. Smith in his journal. At the time Woodruff was an LDS apostle while Smith was a member of the First Presidency serving as second counselor to President John Taylor. Woodruff wrote,
“Evening Meeting. Prayer By E Stephenson. Joseph F Smith spoke One hour & 25 M. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He thought Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than Merely A Believer which looks Consistet. He did not think that Jesus who decended throug Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married.” (Wilford Woodruff’s Journal 8:187, July 22, 1883, spelling left intact).
To my knowledge there is no evidence to indicate that Woodruff disagreed with Smith’s comments. Woodruff and Smith later became Mormonism’s fourth and sixth presidents.
“Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.” [me]
Would you please stop saying heinous things about my Savior. Thank you. [ Sandy]
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I agree it is a hineous thing to say about Jesus (that he was a polygamist) but it wasn’t MY leaders that said it, it was YOURS (LDS), so maybe you should take it up with SLC, because it was still common belief in LDS circles (both church and BYU) in the 1990’s:
# Jedediah M. Grant - Jesus and his disciples were persecuted for being polygamists Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346 (1853)
# Orson Hyde - Jesus is understood to be married. Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 80 (1854)
# Orson Hyde - Jesus was the bridegroom at Cana of Galilee, and lived to see his own children. Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82 (1854)
# Orson Hyde - “It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction , it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.” Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259 (1857)
# Joseph F. Smith - Plural marriage is not some sort of superfluity or non-essential to the salvation or exaltation of mankind. Marriage to only one woman is only partial compliance to the law of exaltation. Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, p. 28 (1878)
Orson Pratt - Jesus a polygamist, God the Father had a plurality of wives. “We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time.” The Seer, p. 172 (1853)
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http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/mormon-jesus-married.htm
“We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born… We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable Wives to be married.” The Seer, p. 172, Orson Pratt
When Joseph Fielding Smith was asked if this meant that Christ had children, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” (Letter to J. Ricks Smith, dated March 17, 1963)
“It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.” Journal of Discourses 4:259, Orson Hyde
“There are those in this audience who are descendants of the Lord’s Twelve Apostles-and, shall I say it, yes, descendants of the Savior himself. His seed is represented in the body of these men.”
- First Presidency Memeber and Apostle George Q. Cannon, Solemn Assembly in the Salt Lake Temple, July 2, 1899, Meeting Notes Utah State Historical Society, p. 376.
“Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the ‘grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.’ After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons.’”
- The Apostle Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346
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“The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children.”
- The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, p.309
“Sunday I Attended the Sabbath School Conference …. Joseph F. Smith spoke one hour & 25 minutes. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He taught Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than merely a believer which looks consister. He did not think that Jesus who decended through Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married.”
- The Prophet Wilford Woodruff wrote in his journal on July 22, 1883
“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children. All that I have to say in reply to that charge is this–they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough ‘to fulfil all righteousness;’ not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law ‘to multiply and replenish the earth.’ Startle not at this! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only ‘did that which he had seen his Father do.’”
- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210
“Heber taught, as did a few other Mormons of his day, that Christ was married—indeed that Christ was married to both Mary and Martha and that the famous wedding of Cana was in reality Christ’s own wedding. In his own mind Heber was not only a follower of Christ, but a literal descendant. In his last public sermon, two months before his death, he said, “You do not know who Heber C. Kimball is, or you would do better.”If one can accept the possibility of Christ’s marriage, then such a descent is possible.”
- Biography of Apostle Heber C. Kimball, p. 275
“We are not informed at what time Jesus was to be married to this kin’s daughter or to any of the rest of His wives. But from what John the Baptist says, He may have been married to some of them previous to that prophets martyrdom: The passage is as follows; ‘He that hath the Bride is the Bridegroom: but the friend of the Bridegroom, which standeth and heareth Him, rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.’ (John 3: 29, 30.) And again, ‘Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the Bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the Bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.’ (Mathew 9: 15.) John represents Jesus as already in the possession of the Bride; while the Saviour confirms what John says, by calling Himself ‘the Bridegroom,’ and the disciples ‘the children of the Bridechamber,’ but who the Bride was neither of them informs us. Whether Jesus had married any of His wives at that time or not, it is very evident that there will be a marriage of the Son of God at the time of His second coming: for Jesus said, ‘The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.’”
-The Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Vol.1, No.11, p. 169-p.
The Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde made these statements: "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana at Galilee:...no less a person than JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED on that occasion. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)
"I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass through the most pious countries in Christendom with a TRAIN OF WOMEN, such as used to follow him he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode not on an ***, but on a rail. . . (Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde - Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)
On another occasion Brigham Young (2nd Pres. of the Mormon Church) stated: "The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN: . . ."(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)
"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)
THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS [Jesus] WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)
before mankind learn all the particulars of Christ's incarnation how and by whom he was begotten; the character of the relationships formed by that act; the NUMBER OF WIVES AND CHILDREN HE HAD. . . . " (Mormon - Millennial Star Vol. 15. page 825)
We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit THEIR Wives IN ETERNITY as well as in time; . . . " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)
The Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated: ". . .it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST " (The Seer. page 172)
[Jesus] by MARRYING MANY honorable WIVES himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the PLURALITY OF WIVES under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His Polygamist ancestors lived. " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)
"We have now clearly shown that GOD THE FATHER HAD A PLURALITY OF WIVES, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)
The dig was against your leaders and prophets.
Sandy: Would you please stop saying heinous things about my Savior. Thank you
What? What are you saying Sandy, that polygamy is "HEINOUS"? It was good enough for the founder of your religion and all his cronies, or is that also a heinous thing to say? Do you deny that JS taught it, practiced it, mandated it?
Didn't he RESTORE the gospel after the Christians stripped away all the good parts back in the first and second century? How could he have been good enough to "save" you if he didn't meet and exceed the requirements, the PLAIN AND PRECIOUS TRUTHS?