REALLY?
Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut
Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the dead—the Redeemer of mankind—the most important figure in history.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893—three years before Utah became a state in 1896—and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)
New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearch—under different versions of his identity—which have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for him—including combined records—show LDS ordinance details as “Not Available.”
On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled “Jesus Christian,” and showed “Jesus Christian” was born “before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel.” LDS ordinances were tagged as “Not available” on this record. The other entry was for “Jesus Cristian,” who was born “before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel.” The entry for “Jesus Cristian” gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouse—“Maria Magdelena.”
“Jesus Cristian” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” “Jesus Cristian” was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage “sealing” to “spouse” “Maria Magdelena” on April 9, 2010—all rites occurred in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
It appears the submissions for “Jesus Christian,” and “Jesus Cristian” were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled “Cristian,” instead of “Christian,” could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as “Cristian” to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names “Jesus Christ.” That would explain why the entry for “Jesus Christian” shows LDS ordinances as “Not available.”
While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise “before” years of these events—the first name “Jesus” combined with the surnames “Christian” and “Cristian” (both spins on the name of “Christ”) are signs that “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.
Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, “Bethlehem,” and the death location, “Jerusalem.” (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of “Jesus Cristian” is the name of his “spouse”—“Maria Magdelena,” a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. “Maria Magdelena” is not listed on the “Jesus Christian” record.
Because “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” have similar names and identical birth and death locations—“Bethlehem” and “Jerusalem,” they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” were born and died in the 16th century. “Jesus Christian” lived roughly 50 years, while “Jesus Cristian” died in his thirties.
On May 27, 2010, “Maria Magdelena” was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as “1504 Israel,” and death date as “before 1540 Israel.” Both years are likely inventions. Along with “spouse” “Jesus Cristian,” “Maria Magdelena” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage “sealing” to “Jesus Cristian” on April 9, 2010—all rites were done in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormons—although that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was married—to Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.
LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yet—under their very noses—on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christ—under a false name—two millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.
Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” were scrubbed from New FamilySearch—concealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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REALLY?
LOL. Love the pict!
I’ve thought about that. But I don’t donate to every site I use, though most solicit.
I was really enthusiastic about FR. I dragged my husband and one of my kids to the Halloween anti-Clinton rally in DC, and really enjoyed myself. Highlights were seeing Ann Coulter, and meeting Lucianne and Jonah Goldberg.
If the problem is ever cleaned up here, I will donate again. Until then, I give to Lucianne.com and National Review Online.
IT is so different than the way a Christian would try to lead another person to the truth.
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It is. When I was training to be an LDS missionary, we were told to control the conversation and ask leading questions just like that.
It was a hint that we were manipulating them.
The vast amount of misrepresentation, twisting and lies spewed forth on these boards by the Anti-Mormon clan is quite mind-boggling and overwhelming.
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Again with your standard cut and paste, PD.
Still waiting for you to PROVE any twisting and lies of the things I have said.
I can support my statements, can you? Or is it another case of I know your religion better than you do?
You do want the Truth right? Show it.
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I HAVE the Truth. I have Christ.
It is Mormonism that is the lie. And a damnable one at that.
Is that you, K-Lo? No wonder NRO has been flacking for Mitt ever since he decided to become pro-life.
Have you informed Jim Robinson of your feelings? Here, I'll ping him for you. He should be informed of the very democratic practice of withholding donations to those who don't toe the line.
Your reaganaut missioin is accomplished
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Agreed. My ‘mission’ in posting this is to prove how Mormonism doesn’t get who Christ is, that some members believe He was married and a polygamist (which your leaders taught), and to show how they disrespect my Lord and Savior.
Now, how about answering my question about temples in the time of Jeusus?
There’s nothing “undemocratic” about deciding where to spend your money.
Sorry, the only religion free from criticism is Islam.
If you can find where we have been “misrepresenting”, “twisting” or “lying” our experiences, just ask one of us and we’ll gladly answer your questions.
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Amen, SZ. I OPENLY challenge anyone to ask me any question about my time in Mormonism, my experiences, what I was taught, documentation on teachings and doctrine, why I left, and how I came to Christ.
My story is an open book. Ask away.
Because of the free exchange of ideas that are welcomed and fostered here on FreeRepublic, I’ve started donating monthl. So, I guess my donation makes up for your lack.
Win some, lose some.
Good luck.....
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Or do you not know what Temples were used for in the time of Christ?
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Or do you not know what Temples were used for in the time of Christ?
Well you are at least honest on your position about supporting free speech then...
Of course, using the right name would not legitimize this blasphemous ceremony in any way.
LL...Breaking News Headline: "Conservatives already divided..."
* Some conservatives are "pro-choice" tea-partiers...
...Others are social conservatives who are forward in protecting the next generation and those currently at risk...
* Some conservatives are small-govt libertarians who favor access to porn, including access easy for minors to get...
Others say, "No, let's at least look at treating the porn industry as we would regulate other prostitutes" [Even in today's news, some porn prostitute used a machete to kill a fellow porn prostitute and stab other film bordello "employees" at a place where they not all only worked but stayed]
Likewise, the founder of your religion called ALL the members of my faith as "corrupt" in that profession of their faith...[you disagree with that?]...
...and he called 100% of their creeds to be an "abomination" to your god...[you disagree with that?]...
...and he said none of these heart-drifting Christian sects were worth joining...[you disagree with that?]...
...and he said none of them were true -- and were "apostates"...[you disagree with that]...
...'cause if you don't disagree with those things, then YOU'VE GOT THE GALL, LADY, TO BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR SO-CALLED 'UNITY'
What? You think you can gather with friendly Christians, go right up to each one, slap each one in the face, saying...
...this slap is for your "corruptness" my "prophet" says you have...
...and this second slap is for you buying into "abominable creeds" my "prophet" says you have...
...and this third slap is for being an "apostate"...
...and this fourth slap is for failing to be among the "only true and living church on the face of the earth" (D&C 1:30)...
And, then as you turn to face your "friendly" conservative Christians, you add:
"Oh, and this isn't simply my mere 'opinion,' this is 'scripture' 14 milliion of us adhere to..."
"Oh, and now that I've had your attention by slapping your face daily since 1875 when my 'family' made all of these things 'scripture,' I wanted to lecture you on how I'm getting a wee bit 'alienated and offended' by your telling the truth about our slapping you around and our other beliefs...
...doncha know that other than these 'small things that divide us,' we're "reliably conservative"...
...Well, ya know except on that one-man, one-woman thing for our 'family's first 75 years...and when our jesus returns...and for eternity...
This website clearly doesn’t belong to me, and the owner can do whatever he wants. But I think the Religion Forum is counterproductive, if the goal of this site is to rally and unite conservatives.
There is a group which constantly attacks Mormons, and another which constantly attacks Catholics. It is beyond dispute that, if we want to win, we have to put aside doctrinal disputes and focus on what we have in common.
The beliefs of the antis can be ridiculed and attacked, as easily as anyone else’s. At times in the past, I admit, I have allowed myself to do it. But, it makes no sense, if what we are really trying to do is unite and rescue our country from the secular Left.
Basically, the Mormons, conservative Catholics, and the groups here who constantly attack both, agree on some fundamental principles. They agree with John Adams who said that morality and religion are essential to our constitutional system. We ought to be focusing on that. What purpose is served by constantly picking at scabs?
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