Posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:33 AM PDT by Colofornian
Exposing the biblically provable false doctrines of the LdS church does not fall within that definition.
If I was making things up out of whole cloth and trying to pass that off as fact to use in “persecuting” the ISM that is the LdS church, that would meet your definition. As has been shown numerous times, this is not the case.
And the credibility of Wiki is about as good as some who agree with insipid and repugnant comments directed at posters and revel in the same.
But I note, that which has been demonstrated many times, there are those who do not care about the truth. Only protecting those they feel are being “persecuted” in their quest for social justice (aka liberalism or Oprah christianity).
They offer nothing of substance to support their claims or efforts, only empty hands and forked tongues designed to attack the messengers of truth as opposed to rebutting the message.
So what do you have on the Hickory Grove/Harmony Penn. phase of J. Smith’s life?
Yep. It is truly sad.
I’ll see if I can find something. Haven’t heard anything before.
Well, you will have to enlighten me because I am unable to find anything I think you might be referencing.
For starters, from smith himself, his accounts of his first encounter widely vary, either having him being 14, 15 or 17; in the grove or in the bedroom; numbers of contradictory reasons for seeking 'god' or why 'god' revealed himself to smith, among many others. There are at least 9 different accounts including the 'official' one (which wasn't supervises by smith).
However, more to the point as well, other Christian revivalists of the era wrote/spoke about their experiences that are similar. Charles Finney spoke of an experience with God in a "Grove of Woods" ( Richard A. G. Dupuis and Garth M. Russell, eds., The Memoirs of Charles G. Finney (Grand Rapids: Acadamie Books, 1989), p. 18.) which he said occurred in October of 1821. Parallels include
1. Time frame - 1820 (smith) 1821 Finney
2. Occured in a grove of woods/trees
3. Prayers became 'paralyzed'
4. Being(s) in light appeared
5. Rejection of story by others.
Others reporting similar experiences in that time range include Norris Stearns (1815), Elias Smith (1816), Asa Wild (1823), Solomon Chamberlain (1816), and James G. Marsh (1828). These were in circulation with more than enough time for an imaginative smith to cull ideas and form his own story.
Fact is the 1st vision story wasn't promulgated until 22 years after the official date. Smith made no mention of it when he wrote the history of the church in 1835. More than ample time for the myth to be formed - and if you review the various and changing accounts, you can see that indeed it was sculpted and changed with time.
Pete; Do NOT look for logic in the chambers of the human heart...
Probably not; as they NEVER get into situations that one could GET AIDs.
Prove it!
When you talk to your LDS family members about your reasons why you think their religion is all false BS and they are condemned to hell, do they take it personally? Do they think you are anti-Mormon or anti-Mormonism?...magritte
He knew what he didn’t know, Ya know....
Where the POLYGAMY angle in THIS article?
I don’t talk to them about their false hoods I talk about the Love of Christ.
That is not what we are doing on FR, on FR we are talking theology.
Why is that so hard for some to understand?
There is a monument near Hickory Grove/Harmony that commemorates the baptism of J. Smith and Oliver Cowdry in the Susquehanna River.
Nearby Smith met Emma Hale, married and began his writings.
Hey Nana...hope your doing well...”dead dunking” to me is quaint and harmless...they obviously think that they are doing a good thing and trying to bring all “non-Mormons” into the fold so the dead will have a shot at Heaven. Although I’m not a believer in the NT, I know from my previous Catholic days that their belief in Baptism of the Dead has little if any Bible-base...how’s this...I sometimes pray that you will see the light and return to the Torah...does that offend you? ... magritte
What is an anti-Mormon? Anyone who disagrees with you?
This is a poorly defined term, but I would say that only the activists who attack the Church are anti-Mormon.
Notice, that there is no reference to theology, the question only refers to people who disagree with mormonISM as anti-mormon.
There is a monument near Hickory Grove/Harmony that commemorates the baptism of J. Smith and Oliver Cowdry in the Susquehanna River.
Nearby Smith met Emma Hale, married and began his writings.
Elsie ! There’s polygamy around every dark corner on these threads...you just wait !! :) ...magritte
In June 1828, TEN years after he claimed God told him not too, Joey Smith joined aq Chrsitn Chruch in Harmony PA..
The pastor of the methodist Church was Emma Hale Smith’s uncle and the Hale family and cousins knew that Joey Smith was not there as a good Chrsitian man but to do evil...
They knew that Joey Smith was a “peeper” (someone who claimed they could see money and treasure underground and “ a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts” so they asked him if he would stop doing those unChristian and occultic blasphemies..
Joey Smith refused to quit his lifestyle and chose to leave the Church instead...
This and the ex-communication of the Smith family from the Presbyterian Church in Palmyra NY in March, 1830 were probably some the excuse he used to denounce all Christianity and the Christian Churches...
He was not allowed to get his own pagan way and so he caused no end of trouble and strife for those his ego told him had “dissed” him...
Bleeding ghosts ???
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