Where Are The Men?

True Manhood ^ | 5/15/2010 | Dave DiNuzzo

[markomalley]

Tonight, we went to Mass at a local parish we had never been to.  I’ve been wanting to go to a Mass there because I know several people who are parishioners at the parish who really like it.  After tonight, I’m confused as to why.  Besides the typical architectural disaster that this building was, the misplacement of the tabernacle and the lack of Catholic art (good statues, stained glass, etc.), the sense of what was about to happen was not Mass… it wasn’t sacred… it wasn’t important… it was just a thing.  That’s what I got when I first walked in.

As Mass started, I was highly disappointed in what was taking place… a jazz concert masked by the appearance of a worship service.  Between the really obnoxious singers (all mic’d up individually, ouch!) and the electronic drum set, I couldn’t figure out what was happening… was it about the music group? or about the Mass?  In my mind, the music was winning, although it didn’t have much of a following in the congregation.  As Mass continued, I realized what the problem was.  It was shouting at me loud and clear…

There were virtually NO MEN in servant-leadership roles!  The vast majority of the servant-leaders were women, which has almost nothing to do with the women, and everything to do with the men.  When men don’t actively serve in parish life, specifically in the Mass, a parish is going to suffer.  Here’s the scenario at this parish; these numbers are typical for most parishes around the country.

• When we walked in, three women greeted us, no men were to be found. 0-3.

• There were 3 altar servers, 2 were young girls.  1-5.
• In the rockin’ jazz/pop/r&b, happy happy clap clap band there was 1 man, 7 women.  2-12.
• There were 4 ushers… all women!  2-16.  (Men weren’t even ushering, ahhh!!!)
• Out of the excessive 9 Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, 2 were men.  4-23.

• The ‘commentator’, lectors and cantor were all women.  4-27.
• Oh yeah, the priest was a man.  5-27.

So, out of 32 servant-leadership positions, (31 really, when you remove the priest from the list) only 4 were filled by men!  And one of those 4 was a 12 year-old boy altar server!  This is despicable.  Again, this has nothing to do with the women, and everything to do with the men!  I’ll explain myself in more detail, in the next post… you’ve got to come back!

[xone]

I never knew the infant was exercising faith in Christ when he/she is being baptized by the priest.

Must only happen to Lutheran babies baptized by a Pastor.

[terycarl]

Get that kid baptized in a Catholic church by a Catholic priest or he may go to hell if he dies first...

wake up and smell the coffee. If you pay real close attention to the Catholic church, you may actually learn something.......maybe not

[Quix]

Thanks for being wholesale and thoroughly factually

ABSOLUTELY WRONG

yet again.

Very comforting.

Beyond that, I’ll try and err on the side of following the RM’s exhortation as closely as I know how to do.

[Quix]

THANKS MUCH BKAYCEE;

Your responses to such typically off the wall, wholesale wrong to grossly deceptive assertions are wonderful, Biblical and accurate.

SUCH AS THESE OF YOURS:

We are of the Household of Faith. The Body of Christ. The better question is where is YOUR church in scripture?

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Rom 5:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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The next verse can also be said of the RCC Rom 10:1Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them (Israel) is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

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GREAT having your input. Bless you and those you love.

[Quix]

WHICH IS SUCH A CHEEKY COMMENT FROM THE POT TO THE . . . white porcelain teapot . . . anyway.

[Quix]

Have started the two excellently researched books into what really happened at Fatima.

Even just posting the bare essential true facts of the case will likely set lost of the rabid clique’s frothing fingers foaming fervently.

Nevertheless, even the rabid cliques have a right to the truth—whether they have the stomach for it, or not.

[Quix]

Oh, I see, your under the impression that God is somehow impressed by what organization you were born into. Most likely your alluding to Apostolic succession, where the magical powers are passed on by direct lineage. It's an interesting theory, just not a biblical one. Faithfullness to the Gospel and the Word was the criteria, not organizational lineage!

Paul had major problems with church leaders in his own day, preaching heresy!

2 Tim 4:1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

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Lineage means nothing if the message is perverted! The Roman Church has evolved many times and lost the true Gospel

Pelagious, Arius, Marcion, even Pope Honorus were heretics but also of the correct lineage!

EXCELLENT, BIBLICAL, AUTHENTIC HISTORY, RATIONAL, ACCURATE, ANOINTED POINTS.

THANKS.

[Quix]

WHAT a stinking pile of horrifically inaccurate, untrue nonsense from that poster.

Incredible the cloudy thinking that blinds so many in the rabid Roman Catholic et al cliques.

It seems so BRAZENLY OBVIOUS that some really do have an outrageous degree of--

at a MINIMUM--INORDINATE attachment to, affections for A HORRIFIC INSTITUTION OF MAN . . . if not an outrageous degree of idolatry toward the INSTITUTION and a long list of the accoutraments. Dreadfully sad. Spiritually deadly.

Thanks for stating the Biblical truth so clearly for the lurkers to read. Few in the rabid cliques seem to be the least bit open to truth of any sort, much less Biblical truth contrary to their politicized theological delusions.

[Quix]

[Cvengr]

Forgiveness precedes or is coincident with baptism.

All personal sins of mankind were judged on the Cross and Christ has paid the ransom, redeeming all mankind.

Forgiveness by Divine standards requires the soul to face Him and confess its sins.

This occurs for the believer when he/she initially comes to faith in Christ and prays to God through faith in Him for forgiveness by confessing he/she is a sinner.

Immediately, by Divine Standards, since Justice has been met by the redemption of sins at the Cross, and by the faith being the same faith as Christ in Him, we are imputed righteousness and He gives us a regenerated human spirit by His grace.

Babes and idiots, not cognizant of their sin or their sin nature, may be forgiven by His grace without imputing unrighteousness on His judgment. He is still free to give eternal life to babes and idiots and remain perfectly just and righteous.

Assuming the eternal salvation of a babe or idiot depends upon what other believers perform in works is as blasphemous as suggesting our works provide for our individual salvation, because such a work would make God a debtor, yet salvation is only provided by His grace.

[InvisibleChurch]

It is no wonder non-Christians never take us seriously.

[Cvengr]

The facts are facts like it or not the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and has a history unbroken for 2000 years. The Gospel that you refer to was given to you courtesy of the Catholic Church. The Church began 40 days after the Ascension of Christ. Our Lord, Christ Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of the Church. Church members today become members, not by any action of man, but by the action of God the Holy Spirit by His grace. If He chooses to regenerate and baptize a believer not associated with the Roman Catholic Church, what issue does the Roman Catholic denomination have with God in deciding whom He chooses to be members of His Church?

The Word of God is not a product of the Church, but it is the duty of the Church to preach the Gospel to the world by the Great Commission. If the Catholic Church chooses to instead consider the witness of the Gospel to be their gracious work, rather than obedience to the Great Commission, then they have a tremendous amount of work ahead of them to perform their duty.

[bkaycee]

Nope. Your church was created by men. The only question is what are their names and when did they create it.

My "Church" was created by the Man, Christ Jesus, built on the foundation of the Apostles and set back on the track by the reformation.

I suggest you investigate history and Scripture to see the truth for yourself.

John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

[Irisshlass]

People didn’t recognize or who Jesus Christ was when He was walking the earth, why would it be any different today, people don’t recognize His Church.

[Irisshlass]

Jesus Christ is just a man to you? Is that what your church teaches, not based on what the Apostles said.

[Irisshlass]

“...rabid Roman Catholic...”

Why are you posts then so disrespectful, yelling, screaming and posting dogs?

[Quix]

Perhaps if you could manage to put your question more understandably, I might try an honest answer.

I have no real clue what you’re asking.

I’m disrespecteful etc. to doctrines of men and of demons from hell.

I’m disrespectful to idolatries and blasphemies which hinder, prevent or sabotage folks authentic relationship with God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I’m disrespectful to assertions, falsehoods, lies, deceptions which trash, negate, sabotage, twise and mangle Scripture—the WORD OF GOD.

I’m disrespectful to folks’ assertions which twist and manipulate word meanings totally out of all semblance of reason, accuracy and truth.

I’m disrespectful to lies, deceptions, political power-mongering games in the name of God.

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[Irisshlass]

I’m sorry I forgot the “r” after you. Hope you understand my post now.

[Irisshlass]

I’m disrespecteful etc. to doctrines of men and of demons from hell.

Your church teaches you have to speak in tongues in order to be saved. Speaking in tongues or languages that no one understands but certain people that speak in tongues like the laity that translate it so the flock can understand it's message. Sounds like possession to me. When the Apostles spoke in tongues everyone understood it, there was no need for translation.

[Quix]

THANKS

for such a HUGELY AND HORRENDOUSLY

set of false, inaccurate, WRONG, foolish assertions

yet again.

It’s such a comfort to see such silly constructions on reality by folks from the rabid clique perspectives.

Thanks also for helping us to understand that some folks from the rabid clique perspective have tossed out

I COR 12-14 from their rubber ‘Bibles.’