"When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?" Mormon

DIALOGUE: A Journal of Mormon Thought ^ | J. Reuben Clark

[restornu]

thanks for the Link!

[Elsie]

Just WHICH one of the various apologists is one to BELIEVE?

Do they hope you get so confused you just GIVE up?

[Elsie]

Use your imagination.

Then I'd be channeling Joseph Smith.

Please; if you have accusations, make them clear just exactly WHO you are complaining about. Otherwise they will be dismissed.

[Elsie]

It seems some are driven by an unknown force when they endlessly attack!

Go make a stome rubbing...

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It's YOUR 'fine, true, loving, only one on earth with the keys' CHURCH that has this STATUE for the WORLD TO SEE right in the 'temple' square.

[LanPB01]

Then dismiss them.

[ejonesie22]

I dismissed them from the get go.

[Paragon Defender]

“Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Christians worship Jesus ...

Mormons worship Joey Smith...”

You are either a lier or totally ignorant about that which you attack on a daily basis.

No Mormon worships Joseph Smith. I think you know this so I am going to guess you are a lier. Shame on you for spreading falsehoods. I base this on you stating previously that you are an ex-Mormon. This is not a personal attack. It is simply an observation and conclusion based upon your own statements.

And why is it exactly you continuously say “Joey Smith”? My guess is because you know that although we don’t worship him, we hold him in high regard and respect him. You know that we always call him Joseph. My conclusion is that you seek to be insulting and antagonistic.

You and others on this anti-Mormon infested board claim to be concerned for the souls of the Mormons yet you hardly show it.

All I see are attacks, insults (although some are thinly veiled), twistings of truth and misrepresentations.

Concerned for others souls? I hardly think so.

On a mission to attack the LDS church using any means? Yep.

[Tennessee Nana]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Christians worship Jesus ...

Mormons worship Joey Smith...

[Elsie]

 

No Mormon worships Joseph Smith.

 

 

Maybe FEAR should be a better word?

 

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

 

[Elsie]

All I see are attacks, insults (although some are thinly veiled), twistings of truth and misrepresentations.

You claim to SEE these things; but NEVER have actually pointed any out!

Folks will start to think you just might be a bit PARANoiD!

[greyfoxx39]

I am going to guess you are a lier.
This is not a personal attack.

[Tennessee Nana]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Tossing this over the fence again...

Christians worship Jesus ...

Mormons worship Joey Smith...