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To: GonzoII
As regards from "the period" I admit all credible historians were Catholic thus proving my point that the Catholic church goes back to the time of Christ.

LOL! It is as I thought.

The Gemera, Josephus, Seneca, Tacticus, Pliny the Elder, Suetonius, and many others... All are not credible? Their silence on the matter of the highly structured Papist faith speaks volumes.

34 posted on 05/09/2010 3:26:42 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1
"The Gemera, Josephus, Seneca, Tacticus, Pliny the Elder, Suetonius, and many others... All are not credible? Their silence on the matter of the highly structured Papist faith speaks volumes. "

Ah, my error in having primarily the Church Fathers in mind, since it's from them that I draw most of my proof for the existence of the Catholic church because they were the most interested in writing about it.

Indeed some the above wrote about Christianity but why would they be interested in giving a detailed account about it? I.e. Josephus who was writing about the history of the Jews, Seneca, a Stoic philosopher...

37 posted on 05/09/2010 3:58:45 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: roamer_1

You wrote:

“The Gemera, Josephus, Seneca, Tacticus, Pliny the Elder, Suetonius, and many others... All are not credible? Their silence on the matter of the highly structured Papist faith speaks volumes.”

No, it doesn’t. If you look, you’ll see more than you might think. Pliny, for instance, makes reference to deaconesses and apparently to the sacrament of the altar (without realizing it). Many people today forget that Acts itself speaks of bishops (Apostles), presbyters (priests) and deacons. That in itself implies a highly structured church on the episcopal level. Also, Pliny makes clear that even after more than 70 years the Romans still did not understand what Christianity was about, who was involved or how it worked on the ground (maybe “underground” should be the word used there). Christians were often secretive. The Romans couldn’t write about what they didn’t know.


41 posted on 05/09/2010 5:24:04 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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