Posted on 05/07/2010 10:01:45 PM PDT by Salvation
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i am unfamiliar with the term “Graduated believer”. Please clarify.
I think you’re quite able to figure it out . . .
however . . .
I could have said . . .
Graduated from this time/space earthly life
or this dimension
or this earth
Let Us Pray
Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the Incarnation of Christ Thy Son was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection. Through the same Christ Our Lord.
Since you guys claim that Mary is the dispensor of all grace, apparently this is a prayer to your Lord, Mary... Amen.
Scripture provides the truth of salvation...No where in the age of the church has anyone ever been made worthy of salvation by the prayer of another...
If you are counting on Mary saving you by prayer to her, you will never make it...
It boggles my mind that you guys are counting on facing the White Throne Judgment where you have to stand and defend your own righteousness in the face of the Almighty God, where the outcome for failure will be an everlasting hell of torment...
good post - thank you.
Ah, I get it. Folks who’ve died and gone to Heaven. Gotcha.
Revelation 5:8
“When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.”
Revelation 8:3-4
3 Another angel came and stood at the altar, 3 holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne.
4The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.
a. 1 John 1:3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. Eph. 3:16–18. … that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height. John 1:16. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Eph. 2:5–6. Even when we were dead in sins, [God] hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Phil. 3:10. …that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. Rom. 6:5–6. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom. 8:17. … and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 2 Tim. 2:12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us.
b. Eph. 4:15–16. … but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 1 Cor. 12:7, 12. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.… For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 1 Cor. 3:21–23. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. Col. 2:19. … and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
c. 1 Thess. 5:11, 14. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.… Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. Rom. 1:11–12, 14. For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; that is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.… I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. 1 John 3:16–18. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Gal. 6:10. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
d. Heb. 10:24–25. And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Acts 2:42, 46. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.… And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart. Isa. 2:3. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 1 Cor. 11:20. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.
e. 1 John 3:17. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 2 Cor. 8–9. Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; how that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.… Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.… For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality.… For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God; whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men. Acts 11:29–30. Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. See Acts 2:44–45.
f. Col. 1:18–19. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell. 1 Cor. 8:6. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Ps. 45:6–7. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb. 1:6–9. And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. John 1:14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 20:17. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
g. Ex. 20:15. Thou shalt not steal. Eph. 4:28. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Acts 5:4. Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
“Since you guys claim that Mary is the dispensor of all grace, apparently this is a prayer to your Lord, Mary... Amen.”
My Lord is Jesus Christ for He is the Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father. True God from True God. One in Being with the Father.
“If you are counting on Mary saving you by prayer to her, you will never make it...”
My faith and trust is in Our Savior, Jesus Christ who is the Light & the Truth & in His Church which is led through fallible men by the Power of the Holy Spirit.
“It boggles my mind that you guys are counting on facing the White Throne Judgment where you have to stand and defend your own righteousness in the face of the Almighty God, where the outcome for failure will be an everlasting hell of torment...”
Then come to Mass and see Heaven touch earth on the Altar of Our Lord, Jesus Christ in the Sacrifice of the Mass that your mind might be “un-boggled” & your heart filled with hope & joy by the Presence of Christ Himself!
I think it’s hazardous to infer anything from those verses.
1. The prayers could easily have been only their prayers while in their mortal bodies on earth.
2. The prayers could easily have been exclusively devoid of any awareness of current goings on, on earth—particularly in any personally specific detail.
3. The prayers could easily have been exclusively YOUR WILL BE DONE, OH FATHER; YOUR NAME BE GLORIFIED, OH FATHER; YOUR SON REIGN SUPREME, OH FATHER etc.
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IF you wish to reformat it with a LOT more white space, I’ll consider reading it.
It is the Holy Writ. Buy one. Read it. Love it. Accept it as the Gospel Truth.
I think this is very interesting. My only concern is the line about “I place in thee all my hopes for salvation ...” and on that, I guess I just get hung up. I don’t have the same issues with Mary that man Protestants have. She is our Lord’s mother and should be venerated and adored. Blessings.
IF
IF you wish to reformat it with a LOT more white space, I’ll consider reading it.
IF . . . IF . . . you want me to read what you posted.
Large masses of text like that are almost painful to my eyes. I might be willing to look up the references.
NOPE.
I’m not going to look up all those refs.
IF you want me to read those verses, please reformat them with lots of white space.
If you do not, I’ll know it’s not that high a priority to you, either.
Your choice.
The Romans says that the love of God can not separate us, if you truly believe that this means what you think it says then there goes your doctrine of purgatory. Since in your opinion it means nothing can separator us spiritually and physically from God and that means that everyone who dies is in heaven. Then the RCC is separating believers from God with the purgatory doctrine.
LOL, dominance games eh? So sad, too bad. Try dealing with reality instead of UFO nonsense.
It’s so nice that y’all are so demonstrably wrong so often.
Thanks.
Right. You and your YOPIOS and UFO nonsense, you are the right.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most Catholics don't even believe this stuff...That's because it ain't Jesus, it's just a cracker...The black rock over in Mecca is just a rock...It ain't Allah...
You dont't get a spiritual connection by putting something into your stomach...
Real Christians are already in the presence of Christ Himself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 day a year...We don't eat a cracker to be in the presence of the Lord for a few minutes at a time...And neither do you...
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