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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; metmom
You think that we worship Mary? You were never Catholic.
I might as well ping RNmomof7 to that remark, too.

Well I guess it depends on how you define worship..

Stained glass windows, candles, flowers, kneelers, statues, litanies ,rosaries, bathtub statues in front of your homes, medals,scapulas etc etc..

Tell me Mark how do you define the difference between "veneration and worship?

PS.I was catholic

962 posted on 05/03/2010 3:47:04 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

“Tell me Mark how do you define the difference between “veneration and worship?”

In Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran theology, veneration is a type of honor distinct from the adoration due to God alone. Adoration is the worship and homage that is rightly offered to God alone. Veneration is the honor due to the excellence and a created person. This refers to the excellence exhibited by the created being who likewise deserves recognition and honor. We see a general example of veneration in events like the awarding of academic awards for excellence in school, or the awarding of the Olympic medals for excellence in sports. There is nothing contrary to the proper adoration of God when we offer the appropriate honor and recognition that created persons deserve based on achievement in excellence.

(Excerpted from a work by Mark Miravalle.)

“PS.I was catholic “

Not very well instructed though, nor very strong in the Faith. Q.E.D.


967 posted on 05/03/2010 6:04:17 AM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: RnMomof7; MarkBsnr; metmom; narses
Stained glass windows, candles, flowers, kneelers, statues, litanies ,rosaries, bathtub statues in front of your homes, medals,scapulas etc etc..

Please tell me what you think of the pictures below. Are they what you mean by veneration and worship?:

Stained Glass Window: Adoration of the Magi
 
Stained Glass Window: Reformation Leaders
 
Nave Statue: Johannes Bugenhagen
 
Altar
 
Stained Glass Window: The Reformation
 
Stained Glass Window: Pentecost
 
Tympanum Painting

975 posted on 05/03/2010 6:26:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RnMomof7

INDEED.


986 posted on 05/03/2010 7:27:32 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7

Splitting hairs.


1,083 posted on 05/03/2010 9:50:56 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RnMomof7

Along with prayers like these.....

“PRAYER TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

O blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay thee thy just dues of praise and thanksgiving, thou who by the wondrous assent of thy will didst rescue a fallen world? What songs of praise can our weak human nature recite in thy honor, since it is by thy intervention alone that it has found
the way to restoration? Accept, then, such poor thanks as we have here to offer, though they be unequal to thy merits; and, receiving our vows, obtain by thy prayers the remission of our offenses. Carry thou our prayers within the sanctuary of the heavenly audience, and bring forth from it the antidote of our reconciliation. May the sins we bring before Almighty God through thee, become pardonable through thee; may what we ask for with sure confidence, through thee be granted. Take our offering, grant us our requests, obtain pardon for what we fear, for thou art the sole hope of sinners. Through thee we hope for the remission of our sins, and in thee, 0 blessed Lady, is our hope of reward. Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.
Saint Augustine

PETITION TO MARY

Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I venerate thee, great queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou hast bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly for ever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.
Saint Alphonsus Liguori “


1,148 posted on 05/03/2010 11:34:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RnMomof7
It's interesting, isn't it, the Catholic mentality of *You don't understand Catholicism. If you really understood it, you;'d of course, be a Catholic.* Like we couldn't help ourselves.

It's beyond their comprehension that one can understand Catholicism and reject it anyway.

1,149 posted on 05/03/2010 11:36:54 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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