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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: metmom; Running On Empty
That is essentially admitting defeat, not refusing to engage.

Now, wait, was a subpoena issued? Is someone here the prosecuting attorney?

You may demand to have a discussion, but others may find you so unpleasant that they disagree. Anything is possible. Anyway, refusing to answer someone's set up question is refusing to play a game wherein the other guy makes all the rules. Playing such a game would be ridiculous.

541 posted on 05/01/2010 3:28:48 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Alex Murphy

Because you posted that you were making a collection of all my dreadful sayings. I just thought you’d have it right there. Sorry if you didn’t.

The discussion wasn’t important enough to me to look it up myself.


542 posted on 05/01/2010 3:33:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7

A.M.E.N.!


543 posted on 05/01/2010 3:36:27 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Judith Anne
Because you posted that you were making a collection of all my dreadful sayings.

I've never said such a thing. Try using the search function and see for yourself.

544 posted on 05/01/2010 3:39:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Judith Anne

I’m curious to how Paul would feel about being called “insane”. Would he think it was offensive? Would he think it was harsh?

What’s wrong with seeing people on the road to damnation and wanting to point them to the Gate? Is anything more important than a person’s eternal life? How can one be obsessed with such? Is any amount of concern over it too much?


545 posted on 05/01/2010 3:44:12 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh, only a FEW of my dreadful sayings? I don’t want to look it up, but I recall that you posted a bunch of my posts. On another thread. I don’t care, though. Forget it, if you want.


546 posted on 05/01/2010 3:47:48 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: mlizzy

“We do not WORSHIP Mary, we Love her.”

What’s with the capital L? Is it to denote a love greater than regular love? A kind of worship perhaps?


547 posted on 05/01/2010 3:48:25 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Outership

Paul who?


548 posted on 05/01/2010 3:50:38 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: stfassisi

The core of Christians is accepting, following, and obeying Christ as outlined in His Word.

The core of Romeians is doctrines of man and demon.

Christianity is Christianity no matter where in the history timeline you look at it. Romeianity and Maryianity are something altogether different.


549 posted on 05/01/2010 3:51:46 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Outership
I’m curious to how Paul would feel about being called “insane”. Would he think it was offensive? Would he think it was harsh?

Consider the prayers that Catholics offer to saints, along with the claims that "they're not dead" and "they can hear us in Heaven". Consider the reverence / veneration that Catholics offer to Mary, the mother of Jesus. Now watch the backspin as a Catholic tries to justify saying that one of Christ's apostles was insane when he wrote his epistles.

For comparison's sake, try imagining the reaction from Catholics if a Protestant were to say that Mary was just experiencing severe PMS when she composed the Magnificat.

550 posted on 05/01/2010 3:55:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (....doing the jobs that Catholics refuse to do....)
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To: Judith Anne
I don’t want to look it up

Exodus 20:16. Or, to put it in modern terms, back it up or shut it up. Choose one or the other, I don't care which.

551 posted on 05/01/2010 3:57:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (....doing the jobs that Catholics refuse to do....)
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To: metmom

Haha! You stunned them speechless.

They are loathe to speak of the Romeble in public.


552 posted on 05/01/2010 3:58:37 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Alex Murphy

I did not say St. Paul was insane.


553 posted on 05/01/2010 4:02:13 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Outership

Who are Romeians?


554 posted on 05/01/2010 4:04:31 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne

Thanks, Judith.

You are right. That’s my position.


555 posted on 05/01/2010 4:04:45 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Alex Murphy

Non sequitur. That means, it does not follow.


556 posted on 05/01/2010 4:06:12 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: metmom
My salvation is based on the finished work of Christ on the cross, not membership or adherence to a certain denomination. Churches don’t save. Jesus does.

Amen, metmom! That is why I KNOW that I HAVE eternal life. My salvation rests upon the finished work of Christ who died FOR me and all who place their trust in him.

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

557 posted on 05/01/2010 4:08:21 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Or, to put it in modern terms, back it up or shut it up. Choose one or the other, I don't care which.

Whoa! And if I don't? What will the proddies do? Be rude? Same-o same-o. Say naughty things about me? Yawn. Tell yet another falsehood about the Catholic Church? What's new?

558 posted on 05/01/2010 4:13:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Outership; Judith Anne
What’s wrong with seeing people on the road to damnation and wanting to point them to the Gate? Is anything more important than a person’s eternal life? How can one be obsessed with such? Is any amount of concern over it too much?

Paul was so "obsessed" with people's eternal life that he pleaded day and night, in tears, for years, so that they would turn to the truth. That is a burden for souls that Christ desires all his disciples to have.

559 posted on 05/01/2010 4:29:36 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Running On Empty

Sore loser.


560 posted on 05/01/2010 4:33:21 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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