Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]

Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

[Mad Dawg]

Harley. Nice to hear from you!

I think that certainly the impulse behind this post is good and important. What many years ago was referred to as “misbelief” is harmful for the person “misbelieving” and for the body.

On the other hand, I worry about making “fides quae creditur” a kind of work, or freighting it with the anxiety that “works righteousness” can carry.

Also, frankly, there is a number of people who do not have the capacity to ‘do theology.’ Among these are many, I imagine, who have a great grace to cast all their care on Him who cares for them, who have a humble and faithful gratitude for the saving love of God in Christ Jesus, and who, in general, could put a lot of learned and articulate people to shame here on earth and will shine far brighter than they in the hereafter.

So, I’m not so much saying “right” or “wrong.” I guess I am asking you to comment on the proposition: There are many rich in the grace of saving faith who are not called to teach or to expound on their faith because they lack some of the tricks of wit and imagination and some of the verbal skills to give a good account of Him in whom they place their trust.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

[MarkBsnr]

Paul's way of thinking and speaking are certainly different than the way Christ's beloved Apostle John thinks and speaks. Yet both testimonies are necessary: It's not a question of one being "better" than the other.

Interesting and well worth considering. Yet one must take into account that the Apostle John quotes Christ, and Paul does admit that he also preaches his own gospel as well as that of Christ. The earliest Christians had word of mouth and appeared to concentrate mostly on the Beatitudes / Sermons on Mount and Plain and the Two Commandments of Christ (Matthew) until the rest of what we now consider Scripture (along with hundreds of other books) started to circulate and be accepted.

[MarkBsnr]

Interesting , Pauls writings are very clear..IMHO

Peter disagreed with you. But heretics through the millennia do agree with you.

[MarkBsnr]

It's disconcerting that so many "Christians" put so much energy into Jesus' birthday but nowhere near as much into Resurrection Sunday.

Agreed.

[MarkBsnr]

Okay. So your contention is that God does whatever pleases Him but He can't do whatever pleases him. He does it, He just can't do it.

I listened to the local evangelical station on the radio for a while today. They said pretty much the same thing.

[Mad Dawg]

Ow. Suddenly my head hurts. ;-) I am so impressed with the way "virtue ethics" and scholastic realism and blah blah clears up a lot of issues. Evidently metmom didn't get the point, but it was fun to get to the point where I could say:
TRUE: It is impossible for God to lie
FALSE: God cannot lie.

But then, I do have a weird sense of fun.

Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit.

[Mad Dawg]

Just for kicks: What if it's not a graven or molten image? When I had sheepies the local something or other congregation asked me if I could come with my sheepies and be part of their nativity spectacular.

Of course I was happy to help out. But wasn't anybody there graven or molten.

Of course, wasn't anybody there bowing down or worshipping either ....

[MarkBsnr]

This sort of preaching fail can only result in:

[Mad Dawg]

THAT is priceless! Thank you. I have about 5 friends in the Dominicans who NEED this image! Just about hurt myself laughing!

[MarkBsnr]

It has been my experience that many non-Catholics believe what they WANT to believe about the Church and, of these, those who consider themselves "ex-Catholics" generally have the greatest misconceptions.

Mine, as well. When you leave the Church to either have Sundays open for recreation or else join some tent preacher's feelgood session, you really really need some sort of strong justification.

[boatbums]

I’m praying for you, Quix. Give it all to the Lord, even when you don’t understand the purpose of his plan. Trust that God’s word will not return unto him void, but will accomplish all that he wills it to. You are NOT responsible for the outcome, dear brother in Christ, that is the Holy Spirit’s job. He is faithful, merciful and eager for all to come to the knowledge of the truth of the gospel. We sometimes plant, sometimes we water, but God gives the increase! Do not get discouraged.

[MarkBsnr]

Happy to help, sir.

Let us not forget justification...

[MarkBsnr]

ALL translations of Scripture have Jesus Christ giving Peter the keys to Heaven

All of them. And all of them say that Jesus has the keys to hell. Our separated friends do not appear to appreciate what that means.

[boatbums]

It seems some can swallow whole camels, but then they strain at gnats.

[Mad Dawg]

Seriously lovely post, D00d!

[Mad Dawg]

Oh My! That is FABulous!

[editor-surveyor]

Perhaps; but where is the justice in one bearing pain due to the actions of others?

[editor-surveyor]

I care nothing of what the papist church teaches, but what God’s word clearly states.
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[metmom]

It was just FYI since you said that her body was in the earth.

A Catholic would not even acknowledge that so it’s kind of a waste of breath to try to explain it.

I was so impressed with the level of certainty surrounding this doctrine about her that they believe so wholeheartedly that they even make a feast day for it.

But God forbid one tries to show them some truth out of Scripture.

[Quix]

QUITE SO.

QUITE SO.

THANKS TONS AND TONS.

LUB