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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Quix
I’ve found Roamer to be quite filled with Holy Spirit and to minister great wisdom, comfort, edification, redemptive attitude and perspective as well as a great deal of common sense suggestions that can be most helpful in ministry and work.

pshaw! Little ol' me? Thank you for your kindness, but those things belong to our Father. : )

I rebuke that allegation in the Name of Jesus, most fiercely.

Thank you for your defense. Our Lord was also accused of working for the devil, so I am thankful that He gives me the opportunity to be likewise accused. I'll happily take that spiritual *ka-ching* over any vindication.

1,781 posted on 05/04/2010 11:00:14 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; narses; Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Running On Empty; Natural Law; ...
Then your popes aren’t because they specified the Roman Catholic church [sic].

Actually, they didn't, you can read it however you like, but they didn't say that.

Innocent III spoke of the "Church of the faithful" and Boniface VIII and Eugene IV both spoke of the Catholic Church. The word Catholic means UNIVERSAL.

mm: For others, like myself, they consider that I am going to hell.

wb: Actually, they don’t.

Actually some of the posters you’ve pinged have told me no less.

Then you won't have a problem providing a link.

It has been my experience that many non-Catholics believe what they WANT to believe about the Church and, of these, those who consider themselves "ex-Catholics" generally have the greatest misconceptions.

1,782 posted on 05/04/2010 11:18:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blue-duncan

Are you suggesting that I won’t know loved ones in heaven? And that they’ll not be important to me?

It is a question I’ve pondered long and hard, because it’s a question that parishoners are wont to ask of a pastor.

My sense is that just because they don’t give in marriage in heaven doesn’t mean my memory banks will be wiped clean. If that were the case, there’d be no point in having the Lamb crucified there. There’d be no point in wiping tears from our eyes.

Is Jesus yet resurrected? Is that resurrected body yet real or did it get done away with? Was it not the old body renewed? And did not Mary have somewhat to do with that?

This is not an issue of statues or beads. This is a real life bible question, and I’m on the side of our knowing each other, our memories being intact, and our salvation being a realized eternal gift.

Otherwise, what is the difference in terms of our identity between heaven and nirvana? Either way, you wouldn’t know who you had been.


1,783 posted on 05/04/2010 11:20:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: 1000 silverlings; count-your-change; Quix

“Prottie” is from Quix. he used that term for all y’all.


1,784 posted on 05/04/2010 11:21:17 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: wmfights

Bowing down to a likeness that you take to be a god is a violation of commandment.

I agree with you on that.

Yet, at the same time, Wm, I’ve been amused at Christmas time for it is “protestant icon hour”. They pull out the stops with “Nativity Scenes”. Large ones, small ones, plastic ones, carved ones, lighted ones, living ones, and fabulously arrranged ones.

Entire programs are built around coming to ooooh and aaaaahh over the Graven Images of Mary, Joseph, Shepherds, Christ Child, etc.

What if Catholics simply oooohhh and aaaahhh all year long instead of just at Christmas?


1,785 posted on 05/04/2010 11:25:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix

Whatever, no one has a hissy meltdown over it


1,786 posted on 05/04/2010 11:25:49 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Judith Anne

I speak for myself, thanks.


1,787 posted on 05/04/2010 11:27:57 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
There's no point in the dead, alive in Heaven that they may be, with Christ, knowing anything about what goes on on earth. Think about it-- why does Aunt Zelda need to know about your love life or whatever you want her advice on.

Or anything else we might get up to? They are beyond that

1,788 posted on 05/04/2010 11:30:31 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

What if Aunt Zelda still loves you?

And she must be at least interested. Otherwise why say, “We’re surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.”?


1,789 posted on 05/04/2010 11:33:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Quix; xzins; blue-duncan; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg; boatbums; RnMomof7; ..

If we have God to answer our prayers, why do we need to pray to anyone else for things?

Can they do something for us that God can’t?

WILL they do something for us that God won’t?


1,790 posted on 05/04/2010 11:35:33 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xzins
Aunt Zelda might get a view that would pain her-- maybe little nephew isn't all she thought he was, and then she won't be in heaven anymore.

Like the guy who looked across the gulf in the bible, he wasn't exactly in heaven was he?

1,791 posted on 05/04/2010 11:41:41 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom

Vanity, like it says in Jeremiah, we do it because it just feels so good, and besides, it’s our tradition, so Jeremiah, take a boat out of here, don’t bug us anymore


1,792 posted on 05/04/2010 11:43:16 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: xzins
Luke 16

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

1,793 posted on 05/04/2010 11:47:39 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: xzins

You are assuming facts not in evidence re the witnesses. No one can be sure where Zelda is, once she leaves earth. Besides Catholics buy the Zeldas a ticket to Purgatory, so if she’s there she isn’t able to help herself, let alone anyone else. We do know angels observe us,, and so are likely the great cloud, but we have no proof one way or another about the others.


1,794 posted on 05/04/2010 11:55:24 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wmfights
I'm not much for phony "ecumenism". If a group of people are practicing idolatry I much rather say so than worry it might not be "ecumenical" to declare we worship God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

I'm not big on ecumenism myself, wmfights. That is not what I have tried to promote here — merely to raise a caution about judging the spiritual condition of other people.

1,795 posted on 05/04/2010 12:00:04 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: xzins

Revelation 5:8 speaks of the prayers of the saints. While there are certainly saints on earth, it is also true that ALL of the saved in Heaven are also saints and if they pray that means they have wishes and desires and, as they are in Paradise, logic would dictate that their prayers are for those they love who are not yet with them.


1,796 posted on 05/04/2010 12:00:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: roamer_1

INDEED.


1,797 posted on 05/04/2010 12:01:22 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Besides Catholics buy the Zeldas a ticket to Purgatory, so if she’s there she isn’t able to help herself, let alone anyone else.

?

1,798 posted on 05/04/2010 12:03:29 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: wagglebee
logic would dictate that their prayers are for those they love who are not yet with them.

your logic? The bible says differently, the saints are busy praising God

1,799 posted on 05/04/2010 12:03:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: xzins

“Are you suggesting that I won’t know loved ones in heaven? And that they’ll not be important to me?”

No, what I am suggesting is that the knowing of one another and the affections for one another is a reflection of the universal love that Christ has for his church. It is an inclusive love that brooks no exclusive, selfish love. We are one in the Lord.

“My sense is that just because they don’t give in marriage in heaven doesn’t mean my memory banks will be wiped clean.”

There will be no nostalgia in heaven. It is clear what Jesus said about “hating” mother and father or son and daughter. If that is the comparative standard we strive for here, what will be the relationship when we are perfected?

“If that were the case, there’d be no point in having the Lamb crucified there. There’d be no point in wiping tears from our eyes.”

That is the point of loving the Lord with all heart, soul, mind and strength. There is no room for a competing affection.

“Is Jesus yet resurrected? Is that resurrected body yet real or did it get done away with? Was it not the old body renewed? And did not Mary have somewhat to do with that?”

Mary’s contribution died when Jesus died and was buried when Jesus was buried. The Father by the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

“Otherwise, what is the difference in terms of our identity between heaven and nirvana? Either way, you wouldn’t know who you had been.”

1Cr 15:35-38, “But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.”

1Cr 15:39-44, “All flesh [is] not the same flesh: …..So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cr 15:45 “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven. As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.”

1Cr 15:49-54, “And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”


1,800 posted on 05/04/2010 12:06:43 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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