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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Dutchboy88

You consistently point out grave dangers in this odd obsession the Catholic Church has with Mary. Thanks for this good work. This post, however, gave me the willies seeing blasphemous names assigned to this woman. Preoccupation, reverence and beseeching can only be construed as idolotrous worship.
“Morning star, pray for us.”

“Queen conceived without Original Sin, pray for us.”

Sinless prior to what particular sin? Bizarre.

Makes one wonder what use Jesus really is to them. Why pray to Mary when they could have God, but instead, they continuously run to SuperWoman to save the day. Tragic.

= = =

WELL PUT, imho.

Thx.


1,861 posted on 05/04/2010 2:38:36 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7
It's also funny how some people when reading a turn of phrase which does not fit into their pre-fab templates immediately assume the worst and start hurling around characterizations which have no basis.

Paul himself characterizes his encounter with the risen Christ as ‘last of all, as to one untimely born.’ When the 11 talk about replacing the traitor, their notion is to get someone who had been with them from the beginning (I assume that means the beginning of Christ's public ministry.)

Paul really is a special case and a special gift to us.

1,862 posted on 05/04/2010 2:41:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: metmom

Do you have any specifics? Any specifics that will stand up to examination?


1,863 posted on 05/04/2010 2:44:04 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: metmom

Now, now.

You know good and well that the V Edifice doesn’t tolerate facts and logic . . . except when it’s

fantasizing them for some new dogma out of whole cloth.


1,864 posted on 05/04/2010 2:48:16 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thx back.

I follow your contributions regularly and, in opposition to those you mentioned hurl abuse, I find your remarks biblical and enlightening. And we pray they will be used to remove scales and free slaves. Keep up the good work.


1,865 posted on 05/04/2010 3:14:21 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: betty boop

Paul was a witness and a disciple of the resurrected Christ. Which bible are you reading?


1,866 posted on 05/04/2010 3:21:07 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: betty boop
Paul was DIRECTLY selected by Christ as were all the other apostles, you know no one appreciates mercy as much as one that has much to forgive. The word contemporary means of the same generation..Christ and Jesus were indeed contemporaries . It sure sounded as if you wanted to discount Pauls teachings on the gospel to me. link
1,867 posted on 05/04/2010 3:22:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: bonfire

lol


1,868 posted on 05/04/2010 3:23:36 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg

I believe he was ordained by God for the position..he was the most educated on scripture of any of the apostles and a Roman citizen ...indeed a gift to all of us


1,869 posted on 05/04/2010 3:24:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

indeed


1,870 posted on 05/04/2010 3:25:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dutchboy88

THANKS TONS for your kind encouragement and affirmation.

Am still deeply troubled by a huge percentage of the responses on this thread and a huge screaming absence of affirmations that

THE TRINITY, GOD, CHRIST ALONE IS WORTHY ALL OUR PRAISE, GLORY, WORSHIP.

Still prayerfully pondering therefore what.

A lot of comments from the usual rabid clique types are routinely expected. Some from some of the other more thoughtful, spiritually mature folks are still leaving me stunned and shocked.


1,871 posted on 05/04/2010 3:27:48 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom

no, they praise God day and night. Tell me something: why , if and when you get to heaven, you would think, that you, a mere human, get to do God’s work? Granted, in His Wisdom, He may give you a job, but
why do you think you get to say just what it is you might do? And why isn’t praising God night and day, and nothing else, enough for you?


1,872 posted on 05/04/2010 3:28:48 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Plus, “honoring” your father and your mother-— that isn’t laying flowers at their tombstones— that is living in the way they brought you up, , hopefully, righteously


1,873 posted on 05/04/2010 3:31:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

spam: the other sandwich meat


1,874 posted on 05/04/2010 3:33:56 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; the_conscience; Quix; wmfights; Alex Murphy; metmom; RnMomof7

yeah, any one of us can go one on one with you at any time in our understanding of Paul


1,875 posted on 05/04/2010 3:36:21 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Nice to see.


1,876 posted on 05/04/2010 3:37:18 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

very well said


1,877 posted on 05/04/2010 3:38:17 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Interesting , Pauls writings are very clear..IMHO


1,878 posted on 05/04/2010 3:41:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Mad Dawg
Paul really is a special case and a special gift to us.

yes, amen

1,879 posted on 05/04/2010 3:42:18 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: RnMomof7; wagglebee

lol, bring it on


1,880 posted on 05/04/2010 3:44:22 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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