Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

.

7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

.

.

.


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,821-1,8401,841-1,8601,861-1,880 ... 2,681-2,698 next last
To: ArrogantBustard
Great prayer (except for the "Jesus exalting His mother" because He didn't. Jesus did just the opposite.)

Now if Rome would only stop there and desist in giving Mary all those idolatrous titles it would be on the road to becoming a Christian faith.

Do you believe Mary is the "Tower of David" and the "Morning Star," as the posted prayer to Mary tells us?

1,841 posted on 05/04/2010 1:35:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1826 | View Replies]

To: betty boop
My understanding of the Gospels: They are fundamental Truth — direct testimony from persons who were intimately associated with Jesus personally, in His walk as a human being in this world.

those are the gospels..I asked if you what THE gospel is...

What is the good news that Jesus taught?

Mark 1:14-15: "Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel'"

Jhn 3:15 — That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 — For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 — For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 — He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1Cr 15:1 — Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Cr 15:2 — By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Cr 15:3 — For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Cr 15:4 — And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

The Good news is Christ died for our sins, Repent and believe

1,842 posted on 05/04/2010 1:36:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1541 | View Replies]

To: betty boop
(Paul was not a direct witness of anything, except his own de-horsing on the Road to Damascus, with all subsequent complications....)

Are you saying He was not an apostle? Are you saying his letters are not inspired scripture?

Funny how some defend the visions of Mary or saints that have no infallible support..but doubt Pauls vision of Christ that is verified by his words being in scripture and the other apostles.. . .

Yep very strange standards some folks have

1,843 posted on 05/04/2010 1:39:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1541 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard; Quix; All
"No," said General Sherman,
"I did not enjoy the sermon,"
"Nor I didn't git any
Kick out of the Litany."
1,844 posted on 05/04/2010 1:40:49 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1812 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Amen.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

1,845 posted on 05/04/2010 1:41:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1842 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Eckleburg

May The Lord bless you abundantly.


1,846 posted on 05/04/2010 1:43:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1841 | View Replies]

To: Mad Dawg
But I've read in Augustine, Justin, Irenaeus, Thomas Aquinas, Dante (!!!! ding ding ding) and I worked with the "compare and contrast "between" superstitious and life-denying Catholic practices here and there, and the wonderful beauty I saw in a very few Catholic people and a great many Catholic books.

Have you ever tried reading the bible? :)

1,847 posted on 05/04/2010 1:48:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1557 | View Replies]

To: Mad Dawg

So mary is Omnipresent?


1,848 posted on 05/04/2010 1:49:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1567 | View Replies]

To: blue-duncan

Ah, yes, the wonderful Word of God! Thank you for the verses. It should be, and IS, the authority - for all who recognize it through the leading of the Holy Spirit of God - that does not leave us to our own devices where questions of our faith are concerned.


1,849 posted on 05/04/2010 1:51:58 PM PDT by boatbums (I am very thankful for Christ. If it were not for Christ, I would not be a Christian today.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1800 | View Replies]

To: metmom
Pope Eugene IV, (1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads: “It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart ‘into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” 4

You know the church "that never changes?" Now they believe Muslims and jews and EVEN Protestants can be saved..

1,850 posted on 05/04/2010 1:52:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1568 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Eckleburg

I do not think so !!


1,851 posted on 05/04/2010 1:55:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1834 | View Replies]

To: Quix

Me too


1,852 posted on 05/04/2010 1:58:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1576 | View Replies]

To: betty boop
"Well I have been known to visit a candle grotto, and to light a votive candle testifying to my desire of lifting a prayer on behalf of a fellow suffering human being..."

Yes, I know.

"I am really sick and tired of trying to "build a bridge" between Pentecostals and Catholics."

Except that you built one between you and I and you didn't seem sick or tired when you did it; only sharing my pain and hurt. :-)

"In the end, God still probably sees each as members of the One Faithful Body of Christ. Even if so many of His children do not."

While I would not go through Mary to approach the throne of grace, what I saw was a heart moved by the Holy Spirit to go through considerable effort to pray for a hurting brother's child and my prayer is that Christ sees the same.

1,853 posted on 05/04/2010 2:02:24 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1675 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Have you ever tried reading the bible? :)

Oh, YEAH! I got the Javascript Bible, the Carbine Bible, and others! Read 'em all the time!

Then I got one that just says, the Holy Bible. Go figger.

Wait, now that I think of it, I DID see the movie. It was Italian, right?

Seriously though, even the Ethiopian eunuch asked for help in understanding the Bible, and I don't think Philip said, "If thou hadst wit even as a plowboy, thou wouldst understand without no pesky apostolic help."Instead he got up in the chariot and acted like an Apostle.

1,854 posted on 05/04/2010 2:05:45 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1847 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
They believed that before 1400.

Some people act like an entity which has been around for about 2k years is going to be completely transparent and accessible to superficial study. It would be nice to see some real scholarship among our accusers, or just some sort of common or garden variety prudence.

1,855 posted on 05/04/2010 2:13:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1850 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7
Mary is with God. God is with us.

You do the math.

1,856 posted on 05/04/2010 2:14:47 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1848 | View Replies]

To: RnMomof7; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; Quix; ...
Are you saying He was not an apostle? Are you saying his letters are not inspired scripture?

No I am not saying that at all. What I was saying: Paul was not a direct contemporary of Jesus. That's what I meant by Paul's not being a "direct witness," i.e., in the way the Twelve Apostles were. He certainly was quite implacably and vigorously opposed to Christ and His followers, until his miraculous conversion on the Road to Damascus.

Paul's way of thinking and speaking are certainly different than the way Christ's beloved Apostle John thinks and speaks. Yet both testimonies are necessary: It's not a question of one being "better" than the other.

Both are divinely inspired testimonies to the One Truth — though not exactly in the same way, they are both on the same model (so to speak)....

Or so it seems to me, FWIW.

1,857 posted on 05/04/2010 2:31:32 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1843 | View Replies]

To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7; boatbums; Quix

What? Truth changes? Who knew?

Either the older popes were right, which means Vatican II is wrong.

Or Vatican II was right and everything the Catholic church taught as decreed by the popes for well nigh a thousand years was wrong.

And if the Catholic church is the true church, how can it be wrong?

And if it’s wrong in some areas, how do you determine which ones they are?

So, in which period of history was the Catholic Church wrong?

Rome, we have a problem.....


1,858 posted on 05/04/2010 2:36:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1855 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED:

= = =

My “taste in language” matters as much as my taste in luncheon meats.

What matters is the word of God, and titles given to Mary such as “Tower of David” and “Morning Star” are blasphemous.

Who is the Morning Star in Scripture?

“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” — Revelation 22:16
So I ask you — do Roman Catholics actually understand what they’re saying?


1,859 posted on 05/04/2010 2:37:04 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1834 | View Replies]

To: count-your-change

Or the skill

in the maqicsterical word dance.


1,860 posted on 05/04/2010 2:37:46 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1836 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,821-1,8401,841-1,8601,861-1,880 ... 2,681-2,698 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson