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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: metmom
It would only be useful if she had never sinned and since Scripture tells us that all have sinned and fall short of God’s glory,

A baby is born, draws a single breath and dies. What ACTUAL sin has the baby committed?

Mary herself recognized her need for a Redeemer,

She was redeemed at the moment of conception. That is why Gabriel told her he Lord was with her.

161 posted on 04/30/2010 4:03:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Campion; Quix

It is Catholics that have placed her in competition with Jesus


162 posted on 04/30/2010 4:04:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 1000 silverlings
That is your opinion and it is mind reading, cease and desist or we will report you to Father Flapdoodle

lol. Father Flapdoodle has been reassigned to another parish in another town in another county.

Shhh...

163 posted on 04/30/2010 4:05:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Salvation

Wow. That is not Christian. I guess it would be called Maryian.


164 posted on 04/30/2010 4:05:29 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Exactly... scripture tells us to love God with all our heart and soul and mind.. mary takes up close to 50% of that territory from what I can tell


165 posted on 04/30/2010 4:07:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mlizzy

That post disturbs me, but only because it is so anti-Christian.


166 posted on 04/30/2010 4:08:51 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Outership

It’s nothing less than idolatry — giving the creature the glory that belongs to the Triune God alone.


168 posted on 04/30/2010 4:09:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: mlizzy
I *do* read His Word daily at Mass.

Out of order and out of context..Do you ACTUALLY read it for yourself?

f you were a loving Christian, you would live your life well in the arms of Christ, instead of bashing those who love the Catholic faith. This post is such a knife to the heart of Mary and her Son; if you only knew, you'd immediately apologize to the both of them.

Scripture says nothing about "loving" your church . It does tell us to Love God with 100% of our hearts and minds and souls.. not one word about loving your church.

That post was celebrated in heaven by the saints and martyrs as they do every time the gospel seeds are planted..

I know it may seem strange but Christianity is not about Mary

169 posted on 04/30/2010 4:15:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mlizzy

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” - God

Not sure any human edifice has authority to override God’s clear teaching on this matter.


170 posted on 04/30/2010 4:16:16 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: mlizzy; Quix; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; RnMomof7; Outership
Did my "Catholic Caucus" post disturb you because of the content

Speaking for myself, that thread was very "disturbing."

God protects His children and keeps their feet from slipping. One gracious part of that protection is to make them sensitive to idolatry so that they are disturbed its display and thus they flee from it.

May God grant Roman Catholics that same discernment lest they become like the idols of silver and gold they bow down before and serve.

171 posted on 04/30/2010 4:16:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
celebrated in heaven by the saints and martyrs as they do every time the gospel seeds are planted..

AMEN!

The preaching of the Gospel is the means God ordained to reach, teach, refine and bless His children.

"Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God..." -- Luke 8:11

172 posted on 04/30/2010 4:23:44 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

Yes you can.


173 posted on 04/30/2010 4:25:35 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: mlizzy

“I *do* read His Word daily at Mass. If you were a loving Christian, you would live your life well in the arms of Christ, instead of bashing those who love the Catholic faith.”

This doesn’t make any sense. Why would a Christian not be against the idolatry and blasphemy in the Roman edifice?


174 posted on 04/30/2010 4:25:54 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: mlizzy

What do you mean by “disrespectful”?

It is the height of respect to take the time and effort to warn against a path that leads to absolute destruction.


175 posted on 04/30/2010 4:28:45 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: mlizzy
If you were a loving Christian, you would live your life well in the arms of Christ, instead of bashing those who love the Catholic faith.

Telling people the truth about Scripture is not *bashing* anyone. If you feel bashed by the truth, perhaps you ought to take a harder look at what you believe.

Christianity is about Christ, not about Mary. Any thing which detracts from Christ in a church, needs to go.

176 posted on 04/30/2010 4:32:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix

Blessed Mary, Why Honor Her?

Why would anyone want to honor Mary? After all, Jesus Christ is paramount and we should go directly to Him. We do not need her.....or do we? Let us examine this question with Scripture and with our own GOD given powers of reason.

1. Who is the first person in Scripture to call Mary ‘Blessed’? The first place in the Bible where you will find the answer is Luke 1:28. If your answer is Gabriel, then it is the wrong answer. Gabriel is an Archangel, and the Greek word ‘angel’, means ‘messenger’. So Gabriel was only a messenger for someone, but who? Gabriel was sent by GOD, so it was GOD’s message that Gabriel delivered. If GOD was the first person to call Mary ‘Blessed’, can any of GOD’s creatures do less? Dare you, or I, or anyone else refute a clear statement from GOD Himself? Anyone who attempts to do so is putting himself above GOD. Others in Scripture called her ‘Blessed’ also. Elizabeth did in Luke 1:42, and a ‘woman from the crowd’ did in Luke 11:27. Mary herself said in Luke 1:48, “...for behold, henceforth ALL GENERATIONS ‘SHALL’ CALL ME BLESSED”. Can you dispute the fact that the word ‘henceforth’ means from this moment on, and that the word ‘shall’ is a command, and not a suggestion? If you look up the word ‘Blessed’ in the dictionary, it means, ‘Holy’, held in ‘Veneration’, ‘Revered’. GOD is telling us that Mary is Holy, and she should be venerated and revered. How can any person refuse to abide by this specific command in Luke 1:48 and still claim they follow the Bible?

2. Okay, so she is ‘Blessed’, but that does not mean we need her! Well, what did GOD say through Gabriel in Luke 1:30-33? “You have found favor with GOD.” Right there, GOD ‘venerated’ Mary over all other women. In verse 31 He tells her that she will conceive. Who will she conceive? None other than Jesus Christ, the second person of the Holy Trinity, who will manifest Himself as the ‘Incarnate Word’. GOD Himself needed Mary to conceive His very own Son, and to carry Him for nine months to term. GOD needed Mary to be the vessel to give birth to His Divine Son. If GOD needed her, can we not need her also?

3. So she gave birth to a male child! She is a mother like any other mother! Why does that make her special? This brings us to a basic theological question. Who is Jesus Christ? We know that He is the second person of the Holy Trinity, the only Son of GOD. We know He is also the ‘Incarnate Word’ as explained in John 1:14, “...the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” John 1:1 teaches us that the “WORD WAS GOD.” Mary gave birth to the ‘Incarnate Word’, and the ‘Word’ was GOD. I ask, to whom did Mary give birth? The only possible answer is that she gave birth to GOD. Some insist that she only gave birth to the ‘humanity’ of GOD, but what does that mean? Jesus Christ was the only person ever born with two natures, one human and one divine. He was but one person however, not two. He could not be a human person and a divine person, as that would make Him two persons. The question then becomes, ‘was Jesus Christ a human person, or was He a divine person’? Back to John 1:1 and 14, the ‘Incarnate Word’ was GOD. Jesus Christ is a divine person. Mothers give birth to persons, each with a nature. They do not give birth to natures. GOD Himself, calls Jesus Christ His divine Son (Heb 1:5-8). Yes, she is a mother like any other mother, but what a difference between the sons.

4. Well, I am still not convinced you said? We have established that Jesus Christ is GOD, that He was born of Mary, and that GOD needed her for this ‘Incarnation’. Let us look at what Scripture says. Jesus Christ did not come to destroy the ‘Law’, but to fulfill it. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus stated this and He also said in verse 18-19, “...not one jot or tittle shall be lost from the law till all things have been accomplished. Therefore whoever does away with one of these least commandments, and so teaches men, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven...” He very plainly said to ‘keep the commandments’, all of them. Now don’t you suppose Jesus Christ Himself, kept the commandments that He Himself had written? Of course He did, all of them, for He said:
“If you keep My commandments you will abide in My love, AS I HAVE ALSO KEPT MY FATHER’S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.”, John 15:10.
Now what about ‘honor thy father and thy mother’? Don’t you think He kept that one too? There is certainly ample Scriptural evidence to show that He honored His Father, and there is evidence that He honored His mother as well. In fact, He, GOD Himself, must have obeyed His mother’s, everyday living, ‘mother to child’ commands as He was growing up. This is shown in Luke 2:51, “And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT to them.” That is a very profound verse if you think about it. In effect it says, that for many years, the ‘Creator of the Universe’ obeyed the commands of a little Jewish girl, by the name of...Mary. Jesus also acted on her suggestion that the wedding guests were out of wine at Cana, by performing His first public miracle when He turned water into wine in John 2:1-5. Jesus Christ therefore kept the commandment ‘honor thy mother’, as well. If Jesus Christ honored His mother, can we do less? Jesus Christ loves His mother like any good son would. He will defend her from all attacks against her. If you have not honored Mary, what will you tell her Son after you have taken your last breath, and when you meet Him face to face, and He asks you why? Remember, at that point in time, the ‘GOD of Mercy’ becomes the ‘GOD of Justice’. Then it is too late to correct the injustice done to the Mother of GOD. St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort said it best in his book ‘True Devotion to Mary’, “Let no one presume to hope for the mercy of GOD, who dares to slight or offend GOD’s mother.”

5. In Summary:

a. GOD called Mary Blessed, and He venerated her.

b. GOD needed her to bear His Divine Son.

c. GOD chose Blessed Mary above all women.

d. Blessed Mary gave birth to the divine ‘Incarnate Word’.

e. As a child, Jesus Christ obeyed the commands of His mother.

f. Jesus Christ honors His very own mother.

g. Jesus Christ will defend His mother as any good son would. Doesn’t that make Blessed Mary special?

Does not this make her worthy of our honor? Can we do less than what GOD Himself did? Does any man or woman have the right, or the authority, to say we should not honor Blessed Mary? I have given you the Scriptural authority to honor her. Ask the person who tells you otherwise to show in Scripture where it says not to honor her. Jesus Christ was the only person in history who was able to choose His own mother. Why did He choose Mary? Because she is spec


177 posted on 04/30/2010 4:35:56 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: mlizzy; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom
one does not become that holy following erroneous doctrine.

?

It's erroneous doctrine to think one "becomes holy" in the first place

178 posted on 04/30/2010 4:39:10 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: mlizzy

Either a person is a Christian, on their way to becoming a child of God, or they are a son of Satan. The Bible makes clear that these are the only two choices.

If a person is not praying to, following, obeying, Christ and His Father who sent Him, then they are praying to, following, obeying Satan.

This means that Jews, Romeians, Maryians, etc. are all heading for eternal damnation.

Christians are called to preach the Word. This Word will lead all who listen to it away from faith in anything other than God.

Not sure how you can refer to the Great Commission as “bashing”.


179 posted on 04/30/2010 4:39:22 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Quix

Is anything beyond the pale once the canon is pushed into second place.


180 posted on 04/30/2010 4:39:37 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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