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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl; Quix
Yes it is tiring. Satan does not like for us to have energy. So, we must turn again and again to Jesus, who is our life, and then, consoled and comforted, turn back to the task He gave us.

Indeed, Mad Dawg — that is the best thing we can possibly do.

Contention only distracts us from what we ought to be doing.

Thank you ever so much for writing!

1,741 posted on 05/04/2010 9:46:37 AM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: narses; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
count-your-change wrote tonight's most illiterate prottie attack:

Conflating words, even misspelled, isn't much of an argument.

Red pencils out: If the subject is plural, ie "words" then the verb must be also, ie "are".

Carry on, it's hilarious

1,742 posted on 05/04/2010 9:50:58 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: betty boop; wmfights; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg

Reminds me of whole parts of the bible


1,743 posted on 05/04/2010 9:53:24 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee; Quix

That single church is composed of the body of believers every where for all time, not members of a specific denomination.

There are other interpretations of Matt 16:18 than the one the Catholic Church uses to justify the papacy.

http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm

And whether or not individual believers choose to recognize that one can be saved and belong to a church besides the Catholic Church, is irrelevant. The Catholic church teaches that salvation is though it alone. Vatican II did not rescind that. All it did was make a few exceptions, the major one being for those who are what they call *invincibly ignorant*.

For others, like myself, they consider that I am going to hell. And they are entitled to that opinion, but it is also irrelevant to me because the Bible teaches that salvation is through Christ alone and that is who I am putting my faith in, who I have given my all to.

Bad thunderstorm coming.

Later.....


1,744 posted on 05/04/2010 9:54:32 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Which is greater, the Jack Daniels bottle or the Jack Daniels?


1,745 posted on 05/04/2010 9:54:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
No one said Psalms 113 is "contrary to Scripture."

Are we talking about Ps. 113?

You said:
We read your words. We understand your tags. And we disagree with those words and morphing tags because they conflict with Scripture.

My tag is a verse from a psalm with alleluia tacked on the end.

My tag changed (and will change back. One of your co-religionists is arguing that God cannot do whatever He wants, so I thought I would put up the verse which shows her teaching is unBiblical.)

But since my tag changed from the Miraculous Medal prayer to psalm 115:3 it falls in the set of "morphing tags".
Since it is MY tag, and you are speaking to me, it falls into the set of "your tags"

Therefore you said that a quote from Scripture contradicts Scripture.

1,746 posted on 05/04/2010 10:00:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Mad Dawg
It IS Hebrews, right? whatever...)

Do you ever read what we write?

1,747 posted on 05/04/2010 10:03:07 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
What is a “prottie”? and isn't calling me “illiterate” making it personal?
1,748 posted on 05/04/2010 10:03:44 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom

From these threads the alternate view of God we keep getting a glimpse of, just keeps getting stranger and stranger


1,749 posted on 05/04/2010 10:04:43 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom
It is impossible for God to lie.
Agreed.

He cannot do *whatever He wants*.
The Bible says He can. I have already shown you the verse.

You have not shown that God wants to lie.

What got this going was someone said "God can do whatever He wants." You disagreed. I'm guessing that you did not think through the difference in meaning between "whatever He wants" and "anything whatsoever."

Similarly, if one holds that lying is an ability, then one has to say there is a limit on God's abilities. If one does NOT hold that lying is an ability, then the impossibility of God's lying is not a limitation but a manifestation of God's omnipotence.

As it is written: Our God is in heaven; whatever He wills to do He does.

1,750 posted on 05/04/2010 10:07:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: count-your-change
You need to understand Pilgrim: you can be called "Prottie" here, short for Protestant, even if you aren't one, like me for example, but don't you DARE call a Catholic an RC, short for Roman Catholic, even tho some of them claim not to be.

When you have a typo or a grammatical slip, you will be excoriated and ridiculed, and even worse, by someone who can't compose a basic sentence

Count it all gain.

1,751 posted on 05/04/2010 10:09:18 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg

Keep on going—you’re on a roll today :-)


1,752 posted on 05/04/2010 10:09:34 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: 1000 silverlings
Do you ever read what we write?

There's reading and then there's remembering. In the first waves of this issue two epistles were thrown at me in an attempt to contradict the clear statement in the Psalms that God does whatever he wants (which implies he CAN do whatever he wants.)

Since then I have endured a bunch of lousily put together logical constructions and the amusing charge that my tag which quotes Scripture contradicts scripture.

So, yeah, While I read what you guys write, I don't necessarily remember the details.

1,753 posted on 05/04/2010 10:11:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: 1000 silverlings; count-your-change; narses
I would like to say that I'm really trying NOT to say things like prottie, Prot, or whatever.

Also I think that after 2130 local time typos and lapses of grammar are to be expected and tolerated.

Unless I'm in a bad mood ....

1,754 posted on 05/04/2010 10:14:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom

No problem, Hebrews, Titus, some old book Paul wrote, whatever


1,755 posted on 05/04/2010 10:16:00 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings; narses; All

Then it’s fair to ask: What or who is Narses?


1,756 posted on 05/04/2010 10:18:10 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Okay. Just checking. That IS in the New Testament, right?

DO you think Paul wrote Hebrews? I don't see why not, but I know a lot of people think he didn't. I simply think it is cool. I always end up smiling when they read from it at Mass.

1,757 posted on 05/04/2010 10:18:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Mad Dawg
I'm happy to see your tag morphing from prayers to Mary (an abomination to God) to a verse from the Psalms.

While you tell us you're planning to morph it back to the earlier error, we can all hope prudence and truth will prevail instead.

1,758 posted on 05/04/2010 10:19:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: count-your-change; narses

you got me on that one


1,759 posted on 05/04/2010 10:20:18 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Running On Empty

;-)


1,760 posted on 05/04/2010 10:20:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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