Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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Those popes were very specific about it being the Roman Catholic Church.
I would like to see some source that indicates that Pope Innocent had some other church in mind than the Roman Catholic church, of which he was the head.
What other churches were in existence in those days to which he might have been referring?
Thanks for your post.
Just as we may entertain angels unaware, I believe that the communion of saints is far more present to us than most people think.
Beautiful! Thanks
Why?
Isn't the pulpit the place to extol the Son?
This is a reason why I believe it is best to do nothing but expository preaching. You just preach through the Bible and let God decide what the topic is going to be each week.
One of my pet peeves is when preachers use the secular calendar to guide the sermons that are preached in our churches. We end up having sermons tied to Mother's Day, Father's Day, Valentine's day, Secretary day, Earth Day, President's Day, Martin Luther King's Birthday, trash collector day...
“Honor your Father and your Mother”
That’s a commandment, so it’s important.
In fact, why I’ll emphasize Moms this week is because it’s one social holiday that’s actually very positive and biblical. (The same with Thanksgiving Day.) I do like to support those things in the culture that are positive and biblical when I get a chance. (I was incensed over the un-inviting of Franklin Graham to the Nat’l Day of Prayer....something that used to be a positive event.)
In any case, I left my expository plan (we’re in Jeremiah right now), when Palm Sunday/Easter rolled around. I went to the relevant resurrection stories in MMLJ for 4 weeks.
I do the same at Christmas. (And Mom/Dad Day and other holidays unless something in the scripture of the week actually ties in.)
Just makes sense to me. At the same time, I’m no slave to any liturgical calendar or I wouldn’t be doing expository preaching in the first place.
Got it, ALL translations of Scripture have Jesus Christ giving Peter the keys to Heaven and, surprise, surprise, Protestants have figured out a way to say that this wasn't all that significant.
BB wrote “Catholics are so ‘close to the ground’ of human experience”-—
Yes, I do believe this to be true. Perhaps that is why we understand that saints may be at our shoulder and why we may truly believe, as is in our Creed, that we believe in the Communion of Saints.
One of the little books I have that greatly encourages me is a very small one entitled “God Under My Roof”, a book of Celtic songs and blessings—
Qoute: “Perceiving a world in which the divisions of sacred and secular seemed irrelevant, these Gaelic people found God lovingly concerned with all aspects of their lives and felt themselves walking not only in his presence but close to the saints and angels too. Almost as a matter of course they assumed that they were surrounded by a multitude of spiritual beings, near throughout the day and nearer still in the hours of sleep. The involvement of the saints... was taken for granted:
The holy apostles’ guarding
The gentle martyrs guarding,
The nine angels’ guarding,
Be cherishing, be aiding me.
The quiet Brigit’s guarding,
The gentle Mary’s guarding,
The warrior Michael’s guarding,
Be shielding, be aiding me.
The God of elements guarding,
The loving Christ’s guarding,
The Holy Spirit’s guarding,
Be cherishing, be aiding me.
Irenaeus is doing a compare and contrast between two creatures. In this passage there is no question of worship, and consequently no evident idolatry.
I don’t see what your disagreement is with “bondage to death”.
If I sort of turn up the gain on my sensitivity stuff I do get, but disagree with, the thing about Mary rescuing us.
Irenaeus is just goofing on the parallels. I mean that’s all I’ve ever thought of this stuff. Both virgins, one ‘advised’ by a bad angel, one advised by GOOD angel, one taking disastrous fruit from a tree, one providing something to put on a ‘tree’ blah blah.
Yes!
So specific that they never once used the term "Roman Catholic"?
I would like to see some source that indicates that Pope Innocent had some other church in mind than the Roman Catholic church [sic], of which he was the head.
He may have been, but that's NOT what he wrote, he said "Church of the FAITHFUL." You see, Church teaching on this is based upon what the Holy Father actually wrote, not what some people think he meant.
What other churches were in existence in those days to which he might have been referring?
Oh I don't know, maybe the Orthodox? For those who don't know, the Orthodox were the ones who realized that it was possible to break from the papacy WITHOUT embracing heresy.
:-)
The controversial part (to me) was that to be a member of that body is to be saved.
This could be expressed as IF you are a member of this body THEN you are saved -- Or -- every member of the set of members of the body is a member of the set of saved people.
Now when I look at the quotes you provide, i do not see that. I see at most IF you are NOT a member of the body, then you are NOT saved -- Or -- every member of the set of people NOT members of the body is also a member of the set NOT saved people.
These two propositions are not identical.
For: Let's play with squares and rectangles.
IF you are a square, you are a rectangle.
BUT that is NOT the same as
If you are NOT a square, you are not a rectangle.
So, looking at the logic, Saying "if you are not in the body you are not saved"
is NOT the same as saying
If you are in the body you are saved.
So the quotes you provided do not support your contention.
QED
Oh yeah, speaking loosely, I have felt hopeless. But I think that just as courage often comes down to doing the right thing when you feel fear, hope is doing the right thing when you feel like everything ought to be in the garden giving nitrogen to the soil if you catch my drift.
Why was what necessary: the declaration or God’s action?
Ever read that work?
To me, the sidebar on whether or not people worship Mary is an overwrought distraction from the original question "to whom do I give my all?" which contrasted two prayers, one to the Father and one to Mary:
The first prayer which I repeat in the KJV because I prefer it.
As for me, all that I am or ever will be - and of course any thing over which I have been made a steward in this life (body, mind, soul, spirit, husband, daughter, family, property, pets, livestock, etc.) - is God's already. I literally have nothing to consecrate to anyone else, nor would I.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Corinthians 6:19
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9
I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:5
Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband [are] at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying [her] forth, buried [her] by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things – Acts 5:7-11
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.- Luke 16:13
If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. - Mark 10:21
And God Himself should always be our first priority whether in this life or the next.
To God be the glory, not man, never man.
It's coming to me. I'm seeing it.
Um, it's gone.
No,wait! It's back.
You're thinking,"I thought I dusted this yesterday. How can so much dust gather so quickly? It must be pollen. Yeah."
How'd I do?
But the real biblical question for me is this: do members of the heavenly host converse with Father/Son/HolySpirit?
I would hope so.
From Martin Luther...
One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. ( Martin Luther -Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).
>>Additionally, the Church does not teach that Orthodox or Protestants are outside salvation<<
TRUE
You ever think of being a diplomat?
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