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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: wmfights

So we should NEVER praise ANYONE for ANYTHING except God? What odd cult teaches such nonsense?

Do you NEVER praise your son?


1,621 posted on 05/03/2010 8:35:30 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: narses
You send your son and your money to support this.

No.

I send my son to the best school I could find in the area. I don't support the non Biblical behavior and by God's grace he sees it for what it is. His one criteria for college is "NO GROTTO"!

1,622 posted on 05/03/2010 8:36:34 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Mormonism reads like a bad sci-fi novel.

I’ve read more believable science fiction.


1,623 posted on 05/03/2010 8:36:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
LOL, isn't that so true!
1,624 posted on 05/03/2010 8:37:56 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: narses
Praying FOR someone is not quite the same as praying TO them and confusing the two doesn't make it so. However prayer is a part of worship and is reasonably defined as such:

Online Dictionary,

wor·ship (wûr sh p)
n.
1.
a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration.
3. often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.
v. wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships
v.tr.
1. To honor and love as a deity.
2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.
v.intr.
1. To participate in religious rites of worship.
2. To perform an act of worship.

1,625 posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:48 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: narses
So we should NEVER praise ANYONE for ANYTHING except God? What odd cult teaches such nonsense?

The point which escapes so many Roman Catholic apologists is that ALL praise for creation, for sustenance; for faith; for grace; for salvation; for guidance; for protection; for life and love and family and home and food and good health ALL belongs to the Triune God alone "from whom ALL blessings flow."

No blessings flow from Mary. None. Nada.

Look to the source.

You should try it. It can only help.

1,626 posted on 05/03/2010 8:39:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg

I didn’t need to interview them. They were plenty vocal about their beliefs without being asked for their opinion.

How they felt was no mystery, just as it isn’t here.


1,627 posted on 05/03/2010 8:40:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Running On Empty
Thank you again.

We can be sure that the Pharisees of the Reformation will say, as the Pharisees said to the man born blind,"You were born in utter sin, and would you teach US?" Then they would return to thanking God that they are not as other men are, "... or even as this Catholic."

The god they proclaim is an exigent god who makes sure everyone believes just the right stuff in just the right way, and if they don't he rejects them and gives his servants authority to torment them.

1,628 posted on 05/03/2010 8:40:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: wmfights
No.

I send my son to the best school I could find in the area.

If you're paying tuition, you're supporting the school.

1,629 posted on 05/03/2010 8:42:37 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: metmom
Thank you for the book recommendation, dear sister in Christ!
1,630 posted on 05/03/2010 8:42:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Wow!
1600+ (mostly acrimonious) posts in less than four days!

How many folks here have changed their minds on any of these issues discussed?


1,631 posted on 05/03/2010 8:43:11 PM PDT by rogator
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To: stfassisi
Thank you for the additional excerpt, dear brother in Christ!
1,632 posted on 05/03/2010 8:44:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: narses
So we should NEVER praise ANYONE for ANYTHING except God? What odd cult teaches such nonsense?

If you want to support Marian worship have at it. Bowing down and praying to statues of Mary expecting these prayers to be given special treatment is wrong.

Believing Mary has special powers to hear prayers from thousands of people simultaneously and to then filter which ones deserve consideration is wrong. It confers god like powers on her which is wrong.

I'll be happy to discuss this heresy with you tomorrow.

1,633 posted on 05/03/2010 8:46:33 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: rogator

Heaven only will tell.

There are thousands of lurkers.


1,634 posted on 05/03/2010 8:46:58 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg; Quix
Once again you call my honesty and candor into question.

I did nothing of the sort and I resent your saying that. My comment had nothing to do with your "honesty" nor with your "candor." I posted your tag from yesterday and I posted your tag from today.

Is there no end to the victim-hood of RC apologists?

We simply mirror what the RC apologist says and believes. If you have a problem with that, say and believe something closer to Biblical historic Christianity. Mary is not a "dispensatrix of all graces."

1,635 posted on 05/03/2010 8:47:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
Please. You are quoting my quoting something YOU said, and then using that as an argument against me. It's the exclusivist/inclusivist line.

NO I am not a predestinationist, not simply. I just propose that there is only one Body of Christ, and to be saved is to be a member of that Body.

As to what the Cathnolic Church taught in the first q500 years of its existence, whether you think the Church was founded sometime in the first century or the 4th, Dante wrote within the first 1500 years of the Church's history.

1,636 posted on 05/03/2010 8:48:00 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; Quix
Thank you so very much for your wonderfully informative essay-post, dear brother in Christ!

I've laid it up along with the original excerpts in the hopes of meditating on each one of the points later this evening.

1,637 posted on 05/03/2010 8:53:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I did nothing of the sort and I resent your saying that.

Stop. You're breaking my heart.

I posted your tag from yesterday and I posted your tag from today.

And that's all? Nothing else? Nothing to suggest that the change in tag had some particular cause or motive?

I quote your post in full, with the "interesting" part in bold:

Now this is interesting. For months your tag has been "Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."

But beginning today you've changed your tag to "Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia."

And now you tell us "Mary is not my personal saviourette."

Not today, anyway.

If I were you, I'd resent while the resenting was good.
1,638 posted on 05/03/2010 8:55:51 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: Alamo-Girl
You're welcome. Thank YOU for the kind words.

I'm sitting here wondering, "What did I write? I hope I still think that ..."

1,639 posted on 05/03/2010 8:57:56 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Deus autem noster in caelo;* omnia quaecumque voluit fecit. Alleluia)
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To: wmfights

No answer eh?


1,640 posted on 05/03/2010 8:59:04 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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