Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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What a man intends is of no interest to God, The Jews believed they were dancing around an image of their God.. God did not care what they thought in their hearts..He cared about truth
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
>>1Cr 1:18 — For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.<<
Which category do you put yourself into?
The Catholic Church believes that anyone who walks in the footsteps of Christ can make it to heaven.
Do you believe that I am condemned because I concentrate on the Passion of Christ as I say my Rosary?
I'm sure the keeper of links will be along soon enough to provide you with your answer. :)
I'm sure there are such threads, but one has to compare the ratio of those threads to the number of threads posted with a positive exposition of Catholic doctrine, belief, tradition, etc. THAT's where you'll see the huge difference between Catholic and Reformed threads.
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with Christ's instruction that we are to know truth from lies by comparing what is spoken to the written word of God. Good trees produce good fruit. Corrupt trees produce corrupt fruit.
Kneeling to Mary and praying to Mary and conferring onto Mary the names and offices and responsibilities that belong to Christ alone -- all are corrupt fruit and thus evidence of a corrupt tree.
"Flee from idolatry."
Sadly, that post is a bit mystifyingly sad and troubling to me.
IIRC, you have noted to me a number of times points which have indicated to me that you were well aware of the wide diversity of beliefs and practices within the Vatican Umbrella.
As you know, Pentecostalism/Charismania ranges all the way from the snake-handlers to the Roman Catholic retreat center in Pecos, NM.
One can say a LOT of things about Pentecostalism and probably in some group or another it might well likely be true.
And, I routinely get a photo of the snake handlers whenever an RC is unwilling or unable to respond meaningfully to the content of my post and he compulsively slips into yet again, the KILL THE MESSENGER MODE so habitually typical of some of the rabid clique types hereon.
The same is true of the Vatican system.
There’s an enormously wide diversity of formal and informal beliefs, rituals, practices under the Vatican umbrella. THAT’S JUST A FACT.
Many Prottys hereon WITH ABUNDANT JUSTIFICATION HEREON ALONE—AS WELL AS WITHIN THE WEALTH OF OUR NON-FR EXPERIENCES AND OBSERVATIONS,
have a HOST of reasons to assert what we do about Roman Catholic formal AND informal beliefs and practices.
SOME of us believe that a horrific percentage of the formal and informal beliefs are GROSSLY UNBIBLICAL.
Certainly, SOME of us believe that a very horrific percentage of all Roman Catholics et al subscribe to one or more of the outrageous excesses/heresies.
Does that really matter?
If 5% do, isn’t that horrific enough?
Catholics declare what we believe at every mass. Here you go:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
INDEED.
GREAT HOLY WRIT THERE.
THX.
The Pharaoh's magicians were just magicians that caused illusions -so they did not produce a TRUE miracle.
According to whom?
We could argue about the meaning of "by their enchantments" forever, as the term has a wide meaning in the original tongue... But Moses' rod (snake) ate the others - One would suppose we can't have a mixed result. Either Moses' (God's) miracle was but an enchantment (like the others), or both were physical... How does something physical "eat" an illusion? Or are we going to subscribe to the idea that the whole episode was metaphor and allegory?
No, it seems rather sure that God's miracle through Moses defeated the miracle performed by the minions of Satan (Pharaoh's magi), else there would be no need for the eating. One could just walk over and pass a hand through the illusion to prove it false, then and there. Contest over.
We agree on this,but we also do not give the devil and demons credit for things he is not capable of doing, beside the devil gets the most out of temptation anyway. (emphasis mine)
Oh, I don't know, but I think our adversary gets alot of mileage out of lying signs wonders... Like those pointing to Hindu deities, Islamic Allah, LDS gold plates, the goddess of heaven shtick (including "Mary"), and the rest of the pantheistic mystery religion ... Add in far eastern ancestor worship, and one has a grip on 90% of the world.
Lying wonders are wonders nonetheless, just pointing to a lie.
Christ's Testimony is the Spirit of Prophecy, [...]
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(e-Sword:KJV)
[...] so the whole of the Word and the Prophets encompasses Christ's testimony - If the lying spirit removes the focus from that sure foundation, even by an iota, it cannot be true, regardless of the "miracle."
Imagine JOHN, of all people, being overwhelmed enough to bow down before an angel! The demons are every bit the same in constitution (if not character) as angels of light - After all, they are the same species. A very sobering thought, indeed.
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
More From the late FR Hardon...
I have no need of men's words at this time. I find it tiresome that they continue to be foisted into the conversation.
That in no way addresses my point. On the surface, it looks good, and perhaps someone will come by and offer an amen.
Back to my point. Another way of looking at it is that what has happened here at FR is that the Reformed have dug this ditch where they cannot move forward or back, or side to side without addressing Catholicism. It's a conundrum for them.
As I’ve demonstrated, IIRC, on this thread . . .
The Roman Catholic et al edifice is no more
HOMOGENEOUS in key respects, than is the group of all Prottys.
Farcical assertions otherwise are a joke.
See there, old Moses was a snake handler from way back, no need to feel insulted anymore
When one of one’s main hobby’s is rock throwing . . . and when one has a meager amount of rocks to throw in the first place, one has to beg, borrow or steal rocks wherever one can find them.
. . . evidently . . .
I just don't think the alleged debate here is productive.We ought to be about seeking the Truth. When winning an exchange is more important that finding the truth, idolatry has triumphed...
Exactly right.
In my opinion, you are not remembering correctly.
That brings back memories, but I don’t recall seeing it posted very often on this thread.
I was referring to what has happened on FR, that I’ve experienced on other threads.
And I post commentaries from fellow saints because I've learned a lot from them since they are all solidly based on Scripture.
Hope you get around to reading them sometime. Others have and have told me they have profited by them.
There is indeed one holy catholic and apostolic church, as the Apostles Creed and later the Westminster Confession of Faith remind us. But some churches have strayed so far from the word of God as to become "synagogues of Satan" in their manifold idolatry and worship of the creature over the worship of the Triune God alone.
And yes, I am part of the generations who call Mary "blessed." Just like I am blessed and you are blessed and all Christians who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior are blessed by God to know the truth of their salvation.
Mary knew it, too. Sinner that she was, she was saved exactly the same way you and I have been saved -- by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
If you want to know what the reformed believe, read the Bible.
Not to mention Salvation’s daily threads on the Catholic mass, the daily threads on the saints, the day threads on Catholic beliefs and practices, the links to the Catechism, etc.
It’s not like we hide anything.
Oh, do you mean like when a non-Catholic fabricates a quote, says that the quote can be found on THOUSANDS of Catholic websites and then argue when Catholics say that Catholics don't really believe that?
If that's what you mean, I know exactly what you are talking about. It's exactly like when liberals say things like, "conservatives want the poor to eat dog food," or "the 'religious right' wants to kill all homosexuals," or "Republicans just start wars for the rich."
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