Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]

Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

[Quix]

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. 10 May your Kingdom come soon. May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today the food we need,[a] 12 and forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us. 13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b] but rescue us from the evil one.[c] --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name. 10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors. 13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. 14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: Our Father in heaven, Reveal who you are. Set the world right; Do what's best— as above, so below. Keep us alive with three square meals. Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others. Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil. You're in charge! You can do anything you want! You're ablaze in beauty! Yes. Yes. Yes. 14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part. 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. --THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, Mother of Perpetual Help, I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart, and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee. I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, and all that I have is thine. I give thee my past with its burdens. I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears. I give thee my future and all that it holds. There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, no place so secret, or so darkened by sin that thy presence and thy influence are not wholly and ardently desired there. I want to be completely transparent with thee, utterly simple, guileless, and childlike. Thou knowest, O Mother, all my preoccupations, all my intentions, and all those recommended to my prayer. Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix, present them to thy Son. Seeing them presented by thee and held in thy maternal Heart, there is nothing that He will not do to give to each intention the one response worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart. Praying in this way, I can be at rest, for thou art my Mother, and all that I entrust to thee will be, I am sure, received, and considered, and cared for with a Mother's love. Amen.

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[Judith Anne]

The Vatican Museums are the among the world’s most important art museums.

Yes, well, how DARE they have a statue of Diana!

Sometimes I wish we could use that "Not this [stuff] again" photo.

[netmilsmom]

>>anyone that can not defend their faith, <<

What makes you think you are important enough for me to defend anything to?

As FReeper Hegewisch Dupa says
Too many here can’t wait to unzip their dogma and swing it around in an obnoxious superiority dance.

[RnMomof7]

The internet is anonymous , my guess is people feel freer to say what they think here ..that is human nature

I am a smart A** and I grew up in a house where humor was sarcasm at its best..so i love a quick jab sometimes ..that is my form of humor ..but not everyone thinks it is always funny

So if I shoot off a wise a** answer it is never personal..

[Judith Anne]

Well, until the “reformed” “protestants” start getting Catholic beliefs straight, I don’t think I’ll bother. When people start telling me what I believe, and how wrong I am to believe it, I tend to write them as goofy.

[netmilsmom]

So what you are saying is that the system of beliefs are part of the religion.

Are you saying that a FR poster must act on those beliefs in order to be saved?

[wagglebee]

Throughout the history of Christianity there have been some who are called to a monastic life, people who dedicate their entire lives to pray and worship.

The vast majority of us DO NOT fall into that category. Does this mean that we love God any less? Does this mean that we are somehow choosing not to honor God? Does this mean that we are somehow offending God? To believe this would be absurd.

I have seen Matthew 25:31-46 dismissed by non-Catholics on here more times than I can remember. I occassionally look at the websites of non-Catholic churches that have past sermons online and I NEVER see this passage as the subject of a sermon. But this passage makes one thing very clear, we worship God by the way we live, NOT by what we say.

[RnMomof7]

Judith IMHO it is over the top.. If my sons do something great..I have no part in it and deserve no credit.. if someone want to tell me he is terrific thats great or that I did a good job that is great, but i do not deserve their awards or pay raise :)

[Alex Murphy]

I know of several who have left or who will no longer participate....

As do I - and IMO the forum is a better place for their absence. I'm especially delighted to say that the cafe appears to be permanently closed. I guess HP is no longer sponsoring it.

....there need to be better standards on the RF than simply "thin-skinned" posters are the disruptors on open threads." Maybe there should be no open threads.

You can always start your own message board, if you really feel that way. The Catholics here give at least as good as they get.

Another comment: this morning I went to the website of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, and found a lot of the very same phrases, scriptures, and ideas that are used to rebut Catholic precepts here on FR are THERE. It certainly appears that while not giving attribution to the unacceptable source, the unacceptable source is being used.

I'm always amused when I hear of Catholics going to that website. I can name more Catholics citing it (18+ at last count) than I can Protestants.

[netmilsmom]

>>Well, until the “reformed” “protestants” start getting Catholic beliefs straight, I don’t think I’ll bother. When people start telling me what I believe, and how wrong I am to believe it, I tend to write them as goofy.<<

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[RnMomof7]

I know..

[Judith Anne]

I mean, look at this statement:

“Until you quit worshipping Mary, you won’t realize you are worshipping Mary.” Or this one: “You’re worshipping Mary, you just don’t know it. I know it. Therefore, I’m here to tell you, you are worshipping Mary.”

Honestly, how does that even make sense?

[Judith Anne]

10-Q. ;-D

[Religion Moderator]

That depends on the religion. For some, contending for the faith means prosecuting the beliefs they are against as much as advocating the beliefs they are for.

[wagglebee]

There are some on here who probably belong to religious groups that believe you must express how much you hate Catholics in order to REALLY be “saved”, this would be consistent with hate groups throughout history.

[Alex Murphy]

Put your glass down, you’ll get your punch.

You're going to punch a person without glasses?

[Alex Murphy]

I can foresee a problem, though, with other FReepers who will demand that you take sides, to the detriment of our attempts at FRiendship. I wouldn’t like to see you put in a bad position with others.

Not from/with this FReeper.

[Judith Anne]

That depends on the religion. For some, contending for the faith means prosecuting the beliefs they are against as much as advocating the beliefs they are for.

How about, "...misrepresenting and prosecuting the beliefs...etc." That would be more accurate.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

Thank you!

Funny how the person who feels that we all need to defend our faith never asks themselves why do they feel the need to take their own otherwise very decent religion (celebrating common ground) and pervert it to the degree that they need to attack fellow Christians. Little too much Muslim-flavor in that approach for my tastes.

[netmilsmom]

>>For some, contending for the faith means prosecuting the beliefs they are against as much as advocating the beliefs they are for.<<

Which Christians? Does that mean their salvation depends on turning hearts?

I’d like to do some research about them. I try to be open minded and understanding. I have some really Traditional Catholics in my parish, that go past what we are supposed to. At least if I can read about where they stand, I can get where they are coming from.

[Judith Anne]

CYC would never punch me in person. I have no fear. ;-D