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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: wagglebee
Thanks, but I see that the post to which I responded and its responses has been pulled, so I guess I should repost my comments without the quote:
Whether one considers it well defended or not, we do have a faith to defend.

I don't believe the FR Reformed do.

Here on the religion forum, the ratio of positive exposition of Reformed doctrine to the negative attempts to deconstruct Catholic doctrine is quite revealing.

It seems the FReformed exist for the sole purpose of proving Catholicism wrong.

It seems the FReformed don't evangelize so much as make the end goal of their efforts here the formulation of posts designed to bring them personal satisfaction. However, the negative efforts of the FReformed do have a positive: through their efforts, they have affirmed Catholicism.


1,021 posted on 05/03/2010 8:20:35 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Quix

Borderline high.

Wonder what it was when you were e-screaming upthread.


1,022 posted on 05/03/2010 8:22:28 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:20

Wow! Folks should take a minute or two to look at that!

1,023 posted on 05/03/2010 8:25:18 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: RnMomof7; wagglebee
I will only note in defense of their Catholic look alike churches that you see no one lighting candles or putting flowers in front of them :)

Given the falling European protestant membership, I'd be surprised if they can afford candles or flowers.

1,024 posted on 05/03/2010 8:25:28 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7
How does that play out?
It is just a word game nares.
There is, in practice,
no difference
in the way Catholics treat Mary,
in prayer or practice
than they do Christ.

EXCELLENT POINT!

Though,
I beg
to differ
on
an IMPORTANT detail.

A certain
PERCENTAGE
of them
appear chronically
to
SHOW
the
caricatured
pseudo-Mary
personage
FAR
MORE
HOURS OF WORSHIP,
EMOTIONAL INTENSITIES OF WORSHIP,
VARIETIES OF WORSHIP,
OCCASIONS OF WORSHIP,
GEOGRAPHIC, OBJECT ORIENTED
PLACES OF WORSHIP,
RATIONALIZATIONS FOR WORSHIP;
LINES OF TEXT OF WORSHIP;
CHURCHES NAMED AFTER MARY;
ETC.

What more EVIDENCE
does the
COURT OF HEAVEN
need?

1,025 posted on 05/03/2010 8:26:10 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: netmilsmom; Quix
Personally, I think the Religion Forum should be stopped for a while and see how much we really need it. We should concentrate on our common ground instead of what divides us.

How "post modern "can't we all just get along "

Scripture tells us to have an answer for every man for the hope we have in us..
Shutting down doctrinal discussion does not help the Catholic church, anyone that can not defend their faith, or that is disturbed by it only shows they hold a weak anemic faith that can only survive without thought or challange

1,026 posted on 05/03/2010 8:28:11 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Go back and take another look. Most of the pictures I posted dated from a 19th century renovation and some from 1983.

And here's some flowers:


(You will notice that the flowers on the tomb match the flowers on the altar, they are put there by the church.)

1,027 posted on 05/03/2010 8:28:21 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: netmilsmom
Anti-Catholicism and anti-Protestantism are evidently part of LDS beliefs.

Anti-Catholicism is evidently part of Protestant beliefs.

Anti-Gnosticism and anti-Faith alone are evidently part of Catholic beliefs.

And so on.

Freepers shall have fora to express their religious beliefs whether pro or con.

Again, if you "take it personally" when another Freeper condemns your beliefs, religious authorities or deities - then you should completely IGNORE "open" RF threads and instead read and post to RF "caucus" "ecumenical" "devotional" or "prayer" threads.

There is a niche for everyone on the Religion Forum.

1,028 posted on 05/03/2010 8:31:15 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Judith Anne
Given the falling European protestant membership, I'd be surprised if they can afford candles or flowers.

Soon it may be as dead as Catholicism over there...look at Europe and we see where post modern America is going.. a Godless secular society that none of us should celebrtate

1,029 posted on 05/03/2010 8:31:20 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: editor-surveyor
I was made a saint on the day that Christ paid the price of my sins, thus justifying me. Cannonization is a meaningless idolatrous, humanist ceremony conducted by upper echelon Nicolaitanos.

WELL said.

1,030 posted on 05/03/2010 8:32:14 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix

Big Blue Font: “Pay attention to ME, pay attention to ME.”


1,031 posted on 05/03/2010 8:32:16 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: wagglebee

Putting flowers on a tomb is tradition the world over.. looks like a childs tomb ..wonder who it is??


1,032 posted on 05/03/2010 8:32:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Quix
I'm gone for a few hours and look what happens!! The neighbors complain about the loud party and the Mod Squad shows up and starts tossing comments out the upstairs windows.
I thought they were lobbing tear gas from all the crying going on but it turns out that's just a big ol’ bottle of Hurt Feelings perfume spilled.

Now, anyone need a glass of punch?

1,033 posted on 05/03/2010 8:33:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: wagglebee

Yes, though I might pull the pig blood reference for tackiness or as a slur if used in the context of Islamic Fundamentalism.


1,034 posted on 05/03/2010 8:33:33 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I think your wording is 2 sided Mod :)

How about

Catholics are anti protestant

Protestants are anti catholic

OR

Catholics are anti faith alone
Protestants are anti works righteousness/works salvation

I think it is good to use the same terms


1,035 posted on 05/03/2010 8:35:09 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Religion Moderator
Anti-Catholicism is evidently part of Protestant beliefs.

Anti-Gnosticism and anti-Faith alone are evidently part of Catholic beliefs. I could agree with that.

1,036 posted on 05/03/2010 8:37:53 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: RnMomof7
Putting flowers on a tomb is tradition the world over..

By relatives, not by Protestant churches.

looks like a childs tomb

It's not.

wonder who it is??

Do you really want to know? I'll give you a hint, the person is ALSO shown in one of the pictures in post 975 kneeling in front of the Crucifixion.

1,037 posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Religion Moderator
Let me try that again:

Anti-Catholicism is evidently part of Protestant beliefs.

Anti-Gnosticism and anti-Faith alone are evidently part of Catholic beliefs.

I could agree with that.

1,038 posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:53 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: roamer_1

“Why wouldn’t we use the means He has provided?”

Phil. 4:6-7, “Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.”

Rom. 3:23-25, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

Heb. 9:14, “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

Seems pretty clear which person the Godhead deemed the executor of their plans and purpose.


1,039 posted on 05/03/2010 8:39:01 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Judith Anne

Judith, I guess I would prefer no posts be pulled.. if we can not disagree and debate and at the end of the day still like each other as people then we all have a problem ..

It ya hit at me I will block and punch and know you will do the same..
We are overly sensitive today IMHO.. Luther and Erasmus hit hard at each other..but held each other in personal respect..

I respect people who defend their faith..

All this to say you are OK with me:)


1,040 posted on 05/03/2010 8:40:10 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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