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To: xzins; judithann; Alamo-Girl; Iscool; P-Marlowe; Quix; 1000 silverlings
it is illogical to take the sins of the few or of the one and to apply it to the entire membership and even to the entire organization.

It is not illogical if that organization which is entrusted with protecting its membership knowingly and intentionally commits sins against that membership. Nor is it illogical to include all those in the membership who are aware of those sins who look the other way or deny the sin even took place.

At the very least, all that looking the other way leaves the membership at further risk.

Personally, I don’t even consider it appropriate to take the missteps of the organization and apply them to the membership that stands in opposition to the misstep.

That assumes the membership stands in opposition to the misstep. From the vast majority of responses here on FR to the pederast priest scandal, many many members of that organization do not "stand in opposition," but deny the error even exists.

While it is true that, as my dad used to say, "we did not ALL kill Kennedy," (a line by the idiot talking heads of that time) it is equally true that somebody killed Kennedy.

647 posted on 04/22/2010 5:42:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That assumes the membership stands in opposition to the misstep. From the vast majority of responses here on FR to the pederast priest scandal, many many members of that organization do not "stand in opposition," but deny the error even exists.

Actually that grotesque statement was to be expected, considering the source.

649 posted on 04/22/2010 5:47:33 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Nor is it illogical to include all those in the membership who are aware of those sins who look the other way or deny the sin even took place.

I agree with that. Even the pope agrees with that; he lamented the awful thing done to them when he met with many of them someplace or other recently.

If there are those denying that the sin took place, then they probably also are looking for a UFO to come take them away real soon.

I repeat, though, the crimes of a member or of a minister are no more the crimes of the remaining members any more than an individual crime by a soldier indicts the entire military.

656 posted on 04/22/2010 6:02:19 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“From the vast majority of responses here on FR to the pederast priest scandal, many many members of that organization do not ‘stand in opposition,’ but deny the error even exists.”

I believe this is a gross exaggeration. A “vast majority” on this forum who have denied that errors exist would have to be precisely proven to make this statement true.

Just for the record, as you well know—we Catholics don’t refer to ourselves as “an organization.”


701 posted on 04/22/2010 8:08:45 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
" From the vast majority of responses here on FR to the pederast priest scandal, many many members of that organization do not "stand in opposition," but deny the error even exists."

What a gross misstatement of the truth. There is not a vast majority, a simple majority, or even a significant minority that deny the errors existed. There has been a denunciation of the disproportionate harang against the abuses of the Catholic clergy. (Unless you are referring to those non-Catholics who completely deny that there were abuses within their denominations.)

703 posted on 04/22/2010 8:15:49 PM PDT by Natural Law
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