[Mad Dawg]

That does not follow at ALL, not for a minute!

This is the most amazing hatchet job on Judith Anne (or on anybody not currently a Republican president or presidential candidate) I think I have ever seen.

People are placing the worst possible construction on what JA said, outright ignoring some of what she said and then with their manufactured charge mobbing her.

It’s disgraceful.

Paul himself says that God uses the weakness of man. It is you all who claim to see Christ’s weakness on the cross as a defeat, while we use crucifixes to proclaim God’s victory in weakness. We, and I assume JA is included here, are perfectly capable of thinking that Paul was not altogether himself but still able tto be used by God to present inspired Scripture.

Luther, on the other hand, was the one who called the Letter of James a letter of straw. He clearly didn’t like it. JA doesn’t like Paul, but she quite clearly stated that she does not dismiss his writings or think that God made a mistake.

[Judith Anne]

Heh, thanks. This doesn’t bother me. I think it clearly reveals, however, that the same characteristics that lead the presbyterians and other protestants to wildly accuse me (a little nobody) are at work when any discussion of child sexual abuse is undertaken.

Nifonging the Catholic Church, in other words.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

it is you all who claim to see Christ’s weakness on the cross as a defeat,

I don't know where you get your information, but I have never given any indication whatsoever that I see Christ's " weakness on the cross as a defeat". I see the crucifixion of Christ as a victory over sin, and death, and Satan.

We, and I assume JA is included here, are perfectly capable of thinking that Paul was not altogether himself but still able tto be used by God to present inspired Scripture.

Excellent! Then the next time prophetic Scripture, written by God through the apostle Paul, such as 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which details the event of the Rapture of the Church, is posted on this forum, we can look forward to no contemptuous, derisive comments from Catholics?

That's very good news!

[Iscool]

JA doesn’t like Paul, but she quite clearly stated that she does not dismiss his writings or think that God made a mistake.

This is close enough for me...

I don’t dismiss St. Paul. I just don’t like him. Or much of what he wrote.

[Quix]

Perhaps I missed it.

I don’t recall seeing any Protty hereon as seeing Christ on The Cross as a weakness or a defeat.

In terms of casting gritches at Paul . . . If the shoe had been on the other foot, it would have been the Roman Catholics et al dog piling on the Protty who had dared to say such things against Paul.

That’s the nature of IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP feelings and dynamics.

And, if past patterns had been any indication, the fierceness and personal assaultiveness in the Roman Catholic et al dogpiling on said Protty would have been orders of magnitude worse than the total JA has received so far.

Besides all that, JA give more than as good as she gets, routinely.

I think it’s one thing to struggle with, dislike some of God’s dealings with us or even some of God’s ways. I still don’t understand very well the prophet calling the bears down to eat the kids taunting him about his bald head.

It is very much another level of cheek or something to call the scribe of most of the New Testament insane.

However it’s sliced, that’s NOT a MINOR assertion.

Then to try and weasel around and pretend it’s a minor assertion only worsens things, imho.

Certainly God uses everything in His Creation for His glory—even insanity in some sense.

However, asserting that HIS CHOSEN MAJOR SCRIBE of such a huge proportion of Scripture is insane is well beyond reason and well over the line of insult—not just against Paul but against HIS BOSS WHO CREATED, CHOSE, TRAINED, CONDITIONED AND REDEMMED HIM AND THEN TAUGHT HIM more.

It is right, Biblical and honorable to blow the whistle and throw a red flag of enormous caution—even outrage on that.