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To: Gamecock; Judith Anne
Whoa. I think that's a personal remark about JA. And I think there is some rhetorical slippage going on here.

JA said all the stuff she said about St. Paul, and almost immediately Catholics disagreed or professed their admiration, etc. for the man Aquinas usually calls just "The Apostle."

If the point of these posts is just to bash Catholics without regard for the truth, have at it, and much good may it do you.

But if you want folks to think that truth is something that matters to you all, I'd be a little less wholesale in attributing problems with Paul to "all" or even "many" Catholics.

En passant I note how Luther's remark about St. James doesn't provoke the consternation the JA's remark does, though JA is just a private woman expressing her emotional response while Luther was a theologian and heresiarch.

And to ignore JA's repeated expression that what she said is merely her personal reaction to Paul and is more about her than about him, that seems to me to be childish.

Evidently childish name-calling and the sorts of arguments I used to have in fifth grade are considered adult fare here. In a time when the body of Christ is under threat from within and without, we circle like donkeys, facing the enemy but kicking each other. That will bring, I think, neither peace nor converts. By the grace of God, neither peace nor converts are in our hands, but in his, so I won't panic. But I will be interested to hear how this sort of thing is consistent with the evangelical duty we all share.

I don't need to hear now. I trust I will learn at the Lord's judgment seat how magnifying one person's comment into an obviously false and misleading indictment of a whole group of Christians is any kind of obedience to the Great Commission.

2,483 posted on 04/28/2010 4:33:59 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Judith Anne; Alex Murphy

Not hardly a personal attack, but a statement of fact.

Judith Anne posted her opus, begged to be banned, was not banned, and is now again posting on FR.

It is all a matter of record. In fact I am pinging GRPL secretary/historian Alex Murphy to chime in with the date/time of those posts.


2,487 posted on 04/28/2010 5:50:19 AM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: Mad Dawg; Gamecock

The usual gang has done exactly what I expected them to do. I’m not concerned.

I’ve heard so many times that we Catholics fall in lock-step, we aren’t allowed to read the Bible for ourselves, we can’t decide for ourselves what to think, we are told we have to agree on everything or our Church will send us to hell —
well, I don’t like St. Paul, I never have, and so far, no Catholic has told me that the Church says I will go to hell for it.

But the non-Catholics? Heh. The invective has been interesting. Not only that, they have attributed my own personal opinion to all Catholics, even when other Catholics strongly disagree with me.

Illustrates something about the non-Catholics. Very very clearly.


2,488 posted on 04/28/2010 5:53:49 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Mad Dawg; Gamecock; Judith Anne

Thank you, MD

You said it for me and better than I could say it for myself (as usual).

Long time in coming.


2,497 posted on 04/28/2010 6:34:58 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Mad Dawg
"And I think there is some rhetorical slippage going on here."

Wonderful post. Thank you for returning the dialog to the adults.

2,526 posted on 04/28/2010 8:06:43 AM PDT by Natural Law
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