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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
I mean Albion Girl
The post of hers that I quoted is from May of 2007
Only if she is in Shanghai.
Moravians weren't Calvinist. They were founded as Unitas Fratrum in Kunvald, Bohemia, in 1457. They were Hussites. They had several well established towns and villages in the backcountry of North Carolina by 1770, Bethabara, Bethania and Salem. Prior to that, they established several Pennsylvania towns, including Bethlehem.
They are noted for their mission work and their music. The very first Fourth of July celebration was held in Salem, NC by Moravians, with music program composed and conducted by Johann Friedrich Peter entitled Psalm of Joy.
Moravians sent missionaries to the Cherokee nation and established several missions. They protested and attempted to prevent Removal, and went along with the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears to aid and to comfort them. Several Brethren had gone ahead, and established a Moravian mission at Tahlequa, Oklahoma, in order to continue ministering to the Cherokee.
Moravians also had a profound influence upon the young John Wesley, and were a primary influence motivating him to establish the Methodist Church.
Indeed. You said you would pray for me when I asked you to, right? Why would you believe that those Alive in Christ in Heaven would do less than you?
Oh Quix I learned a lot from that, it is such an incredible insight.
Not really. I haven’t kept a log of such. One just notes it periodically at the time . . . and then recalls in a vague sort of way that there have been several dozen such cases in a decade or so.
In a perfect world. I realize that is not the case, and we are called to forgive all those who trespass against us.
But to forgive does not mean to permit the sinner to sin again against us.
As we are commanded to forgive, we are also commanded to protect those whom God has given us.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." --Luke 22:36
There's a difference between defending the innocents among us by seeking a righteous justice, and a passive acceptance of the evil around us.
Yes, we forgive all who sin against us. But we also have a responsibility not to make ourselves vulnerable to the sins of others.
Thanks for the clarification. Have you heard from her?
Thanks, IIRC, that’s 3, so far, that have seen such besides moi.
When I’ve read of folks who’ve been to Heaven or had a life review or been to hell and reported back . . .
UNFORGIVENESS AND UNFITTING CARNAL CRITICAL JUDGMENT
are TWO HORRIFICALLY IMPACTFUL THINGS in terms of eternal consequences.
It’s in God’s Word. Folks just don’t take those verses very seriously. God DOES!
Thank you for the information. I had heard of the Moravians, of course, but did not pay much heed to them.
There were a number of small sects that did come over to America that fell off the radar in terms of numbers or prominence. The Moravians were certainly one of them. Certainly they fell off my radar. Thanks again.
Another issue is VENGEANCE.
GOD IS VERY VERY CLEAR THAT
THAT
IS 100% HIS TURF. And He IS fiercely insistent on it.
I earnestly usually, by His Grace manage to say that I don’t want vengeance . . . or any such thing. I often add that I do want them to learn whatever God wants them to learn from the situation and related issues and facts. I ask Him to facilitate their learning in His way as soon as fitting.
See, this is a good example of our differing styles in posting. I post criticisms of certain beliefs, practices, superstitions.
And you post personally insulting remarks about other people.
Perhaps that's the only way you know how to post.
If so, it is possible to learn to behave civilly on these threads.
Try.
I certainly do, too.
LOTS of people have no clue what they are doing.
LOL.
That's how a Christian society works.
Pity. It would have been very interesting to correlate with hard data.
I don’t know if most of the rabid clique folks’ discerners have been broken for months or years or if they never had working models to begin with. Maybe they don’t come standard for clique members. It appears that most can’t discern the difference between pompus and Pope-us.
Their impact upon the United States and the world has far exceeded their number. I’m sure you’re familiar with Jan Hus, the Catholic Encyclopedia covers him in their way. He was more or less entrapped, having gone to Constance with a guarantee of safe passage, but was burned at the stake in 1415.
I also believe those items are CRUCIAL. Your ranking is also reasonable.
However, I don't see that all of them cannot be provided from the beginning.
You may be assuming overmuch to think that those of us who've counseled in any standard counseling center for any significant time at all have not seen our share of such horrid cases.
I believe that each child and Holy Spirit will well signal when it is time to talk about forgiveness. Certainly the first hour may be too soon. The first week may be too soon. However, delaying for no good reason is not wise.
I don't keep track of all the FREEPER mental health professionals. It would be great to have them chime in on this issue. Guess I should start a list. Sigh.
Only when it comes to promoting those of the Reformed. I notice that you are very tolerant of all kinds of antiChristian and aberrant beliefs as long as those entities are antiCatholic.
And you post personally insulting remarks about other people.
Now, now, Dr. E. You know that I believe that it is impossible to insult your good self.
Perhaps that's the only way you know how to post.
If I post personally insulting remarks about other people, I'm sure that the RM would crack down immediately. Since I detect some personal animosity, I must reiterate that I do not consider it possible to insult your good self, Dr. E. I would not dream of trying.
If so, it is possible to learn to behave civilly on these threads.
If you would have others post civilly, perhaps you might lead by example.
Try.
Trying is for the losers of the ruins of the Reformation. We do.
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