Nifonging the Catholic Church

me ^ | April 18, 2010 | vanity

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Sadly, it is not.

[narses]

Exactly! And heretical gibberish you peddle at that!

[Natural Law]

"My church does not have pedophile pastors."

All evidence is to the contrary and since pedophiles and pederasts work in secrecy your continued absolute denial makes you an accessory.

[narses]

This statement is “false”, “wrong”, “inaccurate” and “misleading”.

[Running On Empty]

Yes it is.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

DR.E: Paul corrected Peter often. It was never the other way around.

MARK BSNR: How often? How many times? Speak up, we are waiting with bated breath.

I wouldn't want your breath batted too long, Mark. So here's one instance...

"But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." -- Galatians 2:11-21

Study, Mark, to show thyself approved.

[narses]

” This, to me, completely misses the entire meaning of the word GRACE...”

Then you are in a tiny minority. Most of Christendom recognized and still does the truth taught for 20 centuries by the Catholic Church.

[Religion Moderator]

That is the poster's opinion.

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[Dr. Eckleburg]

Ah, but whatever pederasty or homosexuality that may or may not reside in Presbyterian churches is not protected by Presbyterian churches, defended by Presbyterian churches, tolerated by Presbyterian churches.

Unlike in Roman Catholic churches which are at the center of this scandal.

Not my church. Yours.

[boatbums]

The ark of the Old Testament was a dwelling place for God on earth, and Mary is the ark of the new covenant for she carried God’s only son.

For nine months! After that, just like all those who place their trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, she and we become the Temple of the Holy Spirit. We are all indwelt with the Spirit of Christ. I do not dishonor Mary at all by accepting what the Bible says about all having sinned and needing the grace of God through Jesus to be saved. Mary herself rejoiced and trusted in "God my Savior.". She is a sister in the family of God and not its mother.

And, she and Joseph raised the child Jesus together, he would have been perfect regardless because he was God INCARNATE.

[narses]

“She is a sister in the family of God and not its mother.”

Again you place yourself OUTSIDE Orthodox Christianity. Why?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

She is a sister in the family of God and not its mother.

Amen. As the Bible teaches those with ears to hear.

[narses]

Thank you. Why are Mary’s prayers less than yours?

[Natural Law]

"Ah, but whatever pederasty or homosexuality that may or may not reside in Presbyterian churches is not protected by Presbyterian churches, defended by Presbyterian churches, tolerated by Presbyterian churches."

...except by the veil of denial.

When every credible source states that all forms of fornication, buggery, and perversion exists within your community and its clergy and yet you deny it in total you are either knowingly or ignorantly complicit. Although there is no evidence to support it I pray it is the latter. Repent and beg the forgiveness of the victims of OPC molestation.

[boatbums]

Then you are in a tiny minority. Most of Christendom recognized and still does the truth taught for 20 centuries by the Catholic Church.

Then I am happy to be in that "tiny minority". I live my life in obedience to God because I love him, I am forever grateful for his unspeakable gift and because he has given me a "new nature" that even has this desire to live for him. I am not "perfect" in the human sense but when God looks at me he sees the righteouness which is of God because I am found IN HIM not having my own righteouness, but that which is through faith in Christ.

Philippians 3:8-10

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

[narses]

Rejecting centuries of Christian theology makes you happy?

[boatbums]

Rejecting centuries of Christian theology makes you happy?

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

[Judith Anne]

RCs who know must keep the papal oath of secrecy or risk excommunication so they keep their mouths shut and trust their local bishop to...forgetaboutit.

Fabrication. Falsehood.

[Judith Anne]

Here's something interesting I found on the Q & A section of the OPC website:

Question and Answer

Confidentiality guidelines for elder visits

Question:

Are matters that members share with elders on home visits confidential? Do elders report to the Session what has been shared with them? Do you have guidelines on confidentiality when elders do home visits?

Answer:

This is a very good question. The Session on which I serve follows this general rule: If it is information that is necessary to provide oversight of a member's soul, it is going to be shared with the rest of the Session unless there is good reason not to.

With regard to your elders, it might depend upon whether or not you asked them not to repeat what is told to them. For the most part the elders have come to see how you are doing spiritually and are not interested in gossip.

But there are times when matters discussed are of importance to the church and perhaps to your soul. For example, if you say you intend to become a Muslim, or you intend to murder a neighbor, or you are angry with the pastor, such information needs to be given to the rest of the session (or in the last example, the pastor needs to know, don't you think?). On the other hand, that you struggle with your faith, or you wish you had spent more time in the last year reading your Bible, or are not sure how to share your faith, those things are not likely to be made a major item of discussion. Do you see the difference?

Your best option, though, is to ask the elders up front what your Session's policy is. And if you are going to tell them something you want kept private, just ask them to keep it confidential. On the whole the best guidelines are found in Ephesians 4:29.

If someone confides that they are going to murder their neighbor, why wouldn't the elders go straight to the police?