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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
That’s what forgiveness, grace, and mercy are all about.
Galatians 2: 15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
(Or as another version says.....”24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.”)
"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." -- Matthew 15:13
Did you plant yourself? Did you make yourself into a good plant, or did God make you that way?
Or the otherwise useless dregs of the high school student council will yell at you and make you feel bad.
I’m about your age then, maybe just a little older.
Yeah, the Mo Synod Lutherans and the Catholics didn’t get along too well back in the day (70s) either. Hy husband was raised Lutheran, and boy howdy! When his sister married a Catholic, you would have thought Armageddon was around the corner. On both sides.
Then, when he married me, a nothing! Oh, Lord!
MARKBSNR: Do you mean Heaven? The OT meaning is the Garden of Eden.
I mean the place Jesus spoke of in Luke 23:43
" And Jesus said unto him (the thief on the cross,) Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with it.
I would simply point out what Peter stated:
2) Peter acknowledges the wisdom of God given to Paul.
3) Even Peter didn't quite understand everything that Paul was saying but he verifies that it was true.
4) Ungodly people (ignorant and unstable) twist the meaning of Paul's writings to their own destruction.
5) Peter equates Paul's writings with all the other scripture giving it the same level of infallibility as the Old Testament.
Now if Peter said all of this in two verses, don't you think we'd better listen up? It doesn't matter if you can or cannot put together the Athenasian Creed from Paul's writings. The Athenasian Creed, though we accept it as true, is NOT inspired writing. Paul's writings are. We have it confirmed by Peter.
Can you show me where Peter confirmed the Athenasian Creed? Not that I doubt it but if we know the Athenasian Creed to be true and Paul's writings to be inspired, the Athenasian Creed then must be subordinate to Paul's writings.
"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." -- Matthew 15:13
Once again your post indicates the blindness of the Pharisees to which this passage refers. Let me post the passage, and not the snippet so that the entire world may see the true meaning.
Matthew 15: 1 1 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? 2 They do not wash (their) hands when they eat a meal." 3 He said to them in reply, "And why do you break the commandment of God 3 for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses father or mother shall die.' 5 4 But you say, 'Whoever says to father or mother, "Any support you might have had from me is dedicated to God," 6 need not honor his father.' You have nullified the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy about you when he said: 8 'This people honors me with their lips, 5 but their hearts are far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.'" 10 He summoned the crowd and said to them, "Hear and understand. 11 It is not what enters one's mouth that defiles that person; but what comes out of the mouth is what defiles one." 12 Then his disciples approached and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees took offense when they heard what you said?" 13 He said in reply, 6 "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides (of the blind). If a blind person leads a blind person, both will fall into a pit." 15 Then Peter 7 said to him in reply, "Explain (this) parable to us." 16 He said to them, "Are even you still without understanding? 17 Do you not realize that everything that enters the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled into the latrine? 18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile. 19 8 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, unchastity, theft, false witness, blasphemy. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."
Pray read the explanation that Jesus gave Peter and tell us if you have eyes to see by indicating that you understand this passage.
Vatican II cleared some teachings up.
Many people slam VII but some of the funkier things that old nuns and priest were teaching, went far beyond what the Vatican meant.
We have a very traditional Catholic parish. Some of the things that come out of people’s mouths are amazing. Our priest has gotten an ex-Protestant to lead our classes so that he can get us the teachings properly and from a Biblical POV.
Then you do admit that the belief that the Gospels are nice, but Paul is necessary is wrong? Certain Reformed have been adamant that the Gospels are merely the chronicles of Christ, but Paul is the theology of Christ. If Christianity in its entirety cannot be found in Paul, then is that belief found to be incorrect?
Fascinating.
Thx.
If someone is going to depend on their works to get to heaven, they they shouldn’t be surprised if they are judged by those works.
However,....
Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Galatians 2:15 “We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 5:3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.
My Scottish Presbyterian Paternal Grandmother was disowned when she married my Irish Catholic Grandfather.
It wasn’t only the Catholics who were territorial.
No, Peter just denied Jesus Christ three times.
Paul corrected Peter often. It was never the other way around.
And that was after Peter supposedly became a believer.
How many times did Paul deny Christ after he believed?
Zero.
No problem at all.
I have a big problem with people who proclaim to be Catholic and then add or subtract what we believe.
I have a huge problem with people who push the fringe beliefs like the “seers” of Medjudgore or sightings of Jesus in oil stains. They need firm but kind corrections.
Exactly.
>>I’m about your age then, maybe just a little older.<<
And btw, you look great! ;-}
lol. Your cut-and-paste is just more evidence that Rome seeks to write its own Bible rather than rely on those who were inspired by God to commit it to pen and paper.
I mean the place Jesus spoke of in Luke 23:43
" And Jesus said unto him (the thief on the cross,) Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with it.
Very familiar and with your posts. Often you retreat to the OT, so I was merely asking. So what did Jesus mean? Have the Reformed got it wrong once again? Let us see.
Jesus died. Where did he go? To preach to the spirits in prison. Where were they? Where was Jesus' body? In the realm of Paradise or Abraham's Bosom (Luke 16). Jesus did not ascend to Heaven at this point; he went to Hell to free those souls who will be saved. Once again, you and Piper get it wrong. When He Rose from the dead, He did not descend from Heaven; He ascended from Paradise, or the righteous hell. Where do the Reformed pull their theology from?
Heck, my Grandmother didn’t forgive my dad for marrying an “Rotten Pollack” until the time she had no teeth and my parents flew her in for their 25th anniversary. My mother made her soft meals and I ran out to the garage to her beer for her from our extra fridge.
Suddenly we were quite okay.
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