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To: MarkBsnr
Christ never repudiated the predestination of God. He affirmed it continually because it is sound doctrine and Scriptural truth.

"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." -- Matthew 15:13

Did you plant yourself? Did you make yourself into a good plant, or did God make you that way?

1,722 posted on 04/25/2010 6:02:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sweeping aside Scripture as well as original Christianity as usual? Very well, let us deal with your objection.

"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." -- Matthew 15:13

Once again your post indicates the blindness of the Pharisees to which this passage refers. Let me post the passage, and not the snippet so that the entire world may see the true meaning.

Matthew 15: 1 1 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? 2 They do not wash (their) hands when they eat a meal." 3 He said to them in reply, "And why do you break the commandment of God 3 for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses father or mother shall die.' 5 4 But you say, 'Whoever says to father or mother, "Any support you might have had from me is dedicated to God," 6 need not honor his father.' You have nullified the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy about you when he said: 8 'This people honors me with their lips, 5 but their hearts are far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.'" 10 He summoned the crowd and said to them, "Hear and understand. 11 It is not what enters one's mouth that defiles that person; but what comes out of the mouth is what defiles one." 12 Then his disciples approached and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees took offense when they heard what you said?" 13 He said in reply, 6 "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides (of the blind). If a blind person leads a blind person, both will fall into a pit." 15 Then Peter 7 said to him in reply, "Explain (this) parable to us." 16 He said to them, "Are even you still without understanding? 17 Do you not realize that everything that enters the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled into the latrine? 18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile. 19 8 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, unchastity, theft, false witness, blasphemy. 20 These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile."

Pray read the explanation that Jesus gave Peter and tell us if you have eyes to see by indicating that you understand this passage.

1,728 posted on 04/25/2010 6:08:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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