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Atonement

"Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane," (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, p. 39.). "We accept Christ's atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments," (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, p. 68.).

Baptism

Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. II, p. 141). This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.

Bible

"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly" (8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church). "Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God," (1 Nephi 13:28).

Book of Mormon

The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461).

Devil, the

The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192). Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).

God

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (D&C 130:22). God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3). "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105). God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428). God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). - Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it. "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

God, becoming a god

You have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.) "Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (D&C 132:20).

God, many gods

There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163). "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light," (Book of Abraham 4:3).

God, mother goddess

There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443). God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

God, Trinity

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).

Gospel, the

The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185.) Consists of laws and ordinances: "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p. 79)

Heaven

There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348).

Holy Ghost, the

The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, (Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, p. 118; Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 179).

Jesus

The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129). Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15). Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247). "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 547). "Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18). "Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh..." (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, "God the Father," compiled by Gordon Allred, p. 150).

Joseph Smith

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

Pre-existence

We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, vol. 4, p. 218). The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129). The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).

Prophets

We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445).

Salvation

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206). A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8). Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92). There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188). "The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79). "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 79). "This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts," (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697). "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do," (2 Nephi 25:23).

Trinity, the

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.). "Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster," (Joseph Smith, Teachings, p. 372).

827 posted on 04/17/2010 8:02:21 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw
You do realize of course, as a non Mormon, your postings, despite their coming directly from Mormon doctrine and publications, are all lies.

If you were a member then it would be the truth, but only to other Mormons, those outside the “church” will not have the understanding to interpret them correctly and will have to be guided to the correctness of any given answer as the LDS member who is answering it sees it at that time.

828 posted on 04/17/2010 9:04:14 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: svcw
"Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane," (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, p. 39.)

Whoaa! (I guess this Mormon at least thought the cross was 100% irrelevant)

The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461).

No matter (to Mormon leaders). Smith took to greatly editing the Bible; and Mormon leaders took to greatly editing the Book of Mormon. Mormons are perfectionists who say to God: "You've messed up this verse yet again, Lord. Here, let me correct it."

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).

Well, we all know that Charlton Heston played both Moses and the astronaut in the Planet of the Apes movies.

I think Heston is the perfect icon for thinking about what image comes to the Mormon mind when they think "Who is God?" Not only is he Moses-like, but he's the astronaut man who came to a new planet, fell in love, etc.

843 posted on 04/18/2010 7:19:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348).

It might surprise people to hear that Mormons are theologically liberal. They say, "What?"

But when you lift Scripture out of its original meaning, and twist it to mean anything you want, that's about as liberal as you can get.

Besides, three classes of glory? Isn't that classic class warfare? Pitting the "elite" vs. the lowly "ghettoites" in glory?

844 posted on 04/18/2010 7:22:07 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw; Elsie; reaganaut; colorcountry; SZonian; SENTINEL; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22; ..
We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, vol. 4, p. 218). The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129). The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).

Mormon teen friend: "The devil was born as my elder brother. He's your elder brother, too."
Me: "OKayyy."
Mormon teen friend: "There was a bit of that sibling rivalry going on in heaven. Between the devil and Jesus."
Me: "Uh, Col. 1 and Heb. 1 says Jesus created Lucifer, not bicker back and forth as siblings."
Mormon teen friend: "Well, no mind. (We ignore the New Testament whenever it's convenient to do so)."
Me: "And how do you 'know' about this 'pre-existence' stuff?"
Mormon teen friend: "My 14-year-old friend who I testify about all the time told me."
Me: "Your 14 yo friend who you testify about?"
Mormon teen friend: "Yeah, well, that's the way I like to think about Joseph Smith when the 'personage' appeared to him. Anyway, he told us all about the pre-existence."
Me: "And you have no other sources for this original revelation other than your '14 yo friend?'"
Mormon teen friend: "No. So?"

Me: "Let me get this straight: Suppose your other 14 yo Mormon friend testifies to you that...
"...he saw a spaceship with well, just to make up a name, 'Kolob' decals land in his backyard,
"...and the beings that emerged from this ship told him they all [billions of them] were 'born' from this one goddess who had countless sex acts with the head god of their planet,
"...but that it wasn't really the beginning of their life when they born as spirits, 'cause they had already existed as 'spirits' and 'intelligences,'
"...but the birthing process into spirit-beings helped their universal spiritual development,
"...which was then further refined when their spirits were sent to inhabit bodies down here on planet earth,
"...and even though they were sent down as perfect beings,
"...it further spiritually gelled their spiritual evolution into gods and gods-in-embryo to disobey their head god and bring sin, murder, death, decay, rot, war, abuse, conflict, hostility, rape, porn, abortion, mayhem, assault, you-name-it...
"...and all of this should be 'celebrated' because it, after all, it finally allowed these beings to have sex and pro-create and evolve into future gods???"
"I mean what if your other 14 yo teen friend told you all THAT today???"
Teen Mormon friend: "Oh, you've read Mormon 'scripture' and Mormon doctrines, too?"

846 posted on 04/18/2010 8:01:22 AM PDT by Colofornian
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