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To: reaganaut

I think you are mistaken about Latter-day Saints insulting Jesus. I have never heard any talk or lesson or testimony where anyone has said anything demeaning, insulting or derogatory about Jesus Christ. I have constantly heard the opposite.

We teach, testify, exhort, encourage people to believe in Jesus Christ, to come unto him, to repent of sin, to follow his teachings.


735 posted on 04/17/2010 6:34:22 AM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; reaganaut
I think you are mistaken about Latter-day Saints insulting Jesus. I have never heard any talk or lesson or testimony where anyone has said anything demeaning, insulting or derogatory about Jesus Christ. I have constantly heard the opposite.

I've seen a number of Lds priesthood manuals. I've seen all kinds of putdowns of Christ:

(1) References to Lds as "saviors" of posterity...John Taylor quotes & the like. All having to do with baptizing dead people and becoming their saviors. Competition for Jesus Christ as THE Savior.

(2) Perhaps the worst references in Lds curricula are to Christ being the head of a 1700-year apostate church. Of course, the curricula manuals don't usually cite this quote (but this quote reveals the true meaning whenever Lds curricula claims that the early church apostatized on Jesus): I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the ONLY MAN that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, NOR JESUS ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of JESUS ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. (History of the Church, Vol, 6, pp. 408-409)

How shameful of a putdown of Christ. Here, Jesus said on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it (Matt. 16:18) -- and yet Mormons accuse Jesus here of being a false prophet...in that his church was indeed overcome!

(3) A reference to "bootstraps" -- like Spencer Kimball's reference to "bootstraps" about men pulling themselves up to godhood. (Hey, if spiritual bootstraps pulling was even possible, who would need JC?) This is a putdown of making Jesus irrelevant.

742 posted on 04/17/2010 7:53:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Normandy
I think you are mistaken about Latter-day Saints insulting Jesus. I have never heard any talk or lesson or testimony where anyone has said anything demeaning, insulting or derogatory about Jesus Christ.

Oh; we agree!

They do NOT think they are insulting Him.

They TRULY think that doing what the LDS church requires of of them is HONORING him, but, according to biblical teaching - they are not.

They see Jesus throught the filter of MORMONism; not through sound Biblical principals.

746 posted on 04/17/2010 8:05:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy

WHOA!!!! Post emergency!

Let trained EMS teams fix this accident...

“I think you are mistaken about Latter-day Saints insulting Jesus (well, except for denying His eternal Godhood, His death and Atonement on the cross, and His Gospel of Grace).”

“I have never heard any talk or lesson or testimony where anyone has said anything demeaning (except that He is a created being, like any angel, satan or spirit), insulting or derogatory (ditto) about Jesus Christ. I have constantly heard the opposite (because we only care about the usage of words - not what they mean).”

“We teach (falsehoods about God and His Glorious Gospel of Grace), testify (by substituting feelings for Truth), exhort (You too can be a God! Get with it!!!), encourage people to believe in Jesus Christ (you know, the mormon jesus), to come unto him (actually, come to our Morg Church, it’s all the same - we’re the restoration, you know. In fact, our jesus was a mormon! really!), to repent of sin (hot drinks especially!!), to follow his teachings (like always to wear magic underwear, or to learn some secret heavenly handshakes, or some spiffy masonic rituals).

Done!

Drive carefully from now on!

Post EMS Services


751 posted on 04/17/2010 8:12:14 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Normandy
During exchanges regarding the efficacy of a prophet’s office … a Mormonism apologist claimed Smith never asserted that he was anything more than a flawed man. [False on the face of it, but not the point of this.] The premise offered by the apologist was that “if Jesus could be victimized, then so could the Mormon ‘prophets’ and ‘apostles’.”

A little background is in order, from a recent Internet essay [editing is mine]:
Mark Hofmann was a documents forger who sold several fake documents to Mormon Church Leadership (familiar with the Salamander Letters?). Writings favorable to Mormonism were placed on prominent display; writings deemed damaging to the cause were secreted away.

Hofmann's most famous fabrication was the Salamander Letter. In this writing, supposedly by Book of Mormon Witness Martin Harris, a tenth version of Smith’s First Vision surfaced. In this faux telling, Joseph Smith was visited by an elf who took the form of a salamander.

Mormon leadership verified the authenticity of the letter, apparently relying in large part upon the opinion of forensic documents examiners. Based on his vast knowledge of Mormonism, Gerald Tanner on the other hand immediately denounced the document as a fraud. Tanner was proven right.

The effects of the faked Salamander Letter haunt the Mormon Church to this day.
Mormon Prophets, Spencer Kimball and Gordon Hinckley, were among the duped.
President Hinckley would later 'admit':
“I accepted [Hofmann] to come into my office on a basis of trust … I frankly admit that Hofmann tricked us. He also tricked experts from New York to Utah, however … I am not ashamed to admit that we were victimized. It is not the first time the Church has found itself in such a position. Joseph Smith was victimized again and again. The Savior was victimized. I am sorry to say that sometimes it happens.” – Dew, S. (1996). [Go Forward with Faith: The Biography of Gordon B. Hinckley. Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, p. 432.]

What Hinckley asserted borders on outright blasphemy! Mortals cannot victimize God! Hinckley was clearly inferring that Jesus was victimized, defrauded, tricked, as he and others were by Hofmann ... Hinckley and Mormon leadership lower Jesus's status in order to raise their own fraudulent position.

The Jesus of Christianity, The Lord Of Hosts, The Redeemer was not so feckless that He could be tricked. Mormon leadership have claimed they do not worship the same Jesus as Christianity, so perhaps their Jesus was duped. It appears that Mormonism is seeking to denigrate The Savior, in order to make the pronouncements of Mormonism more necessary. After all, Smith based his entire religious premise on the faux notion that God wasn’t able to keep the Gospel promises Jesus made, so apostasy necessitated the Smithian fabrication of Mormonism. And that is blasphemy writ large.

So yes, you Mormons insult the God of Creation, The Savior, and The Holy Spirit ... and you are so blinded by the utterances of the cult that you are unable to see the TRUTH when presented to you.

757 posted on 04/17/2010 8:36:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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