Only as far as it is correctly translated.
Posted on 03/23/2010 5:44:17 PM PDT by delacoert
Opponents of satire and sarcasm argue that the mockery behind such monikers and books is not grounded in the love of Christ that is best manifested in charity toward enemies. They say that such ridicule is entirely against Paul’s command in 2 Cor. 6:3 to “give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed.” And in addition, they say that such sarcastic remarks about theological opponents ignore the fact that we are still brothers in the Lord despite doctrinal differences, and thus a spirit of sectarianism is promoted rather than a spirit of unity in Christ.
While there definitely are perversions of satire that are intended only to stir up strife and dispute, you cannot toss out the principle of Biblical sarcasm just because of its perversions. This is akin to the argument that Christianity is a sham because there are hypocrites calling themselves Christians. Just because there are fake diamonds being manufactured and sold as genuine doesn’t mean true diamonds don’t exist. And so offensive satire should only lead us to seek out what Biblical satire looks like.
Tremendous insights can be gained by looking at Christ’s diatribe against the Pharisee’s in Matthew 23. In vv. 24-27 Jesus says,
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
This passage and the rest of the chapter show that the Christianity of the Bible is not always as “nice” or “kind” as we would like. The “love of Christ” is not so warm and nonconfrontational as is commonly assumed. Rather, when there is an antithesis between two groups of people, mere intellectual wrangling can rarely resolve the conflict, and often more inflationary language is required. Christ used this method of caricaturing to show the distinction between His followers and the “blind guides” and “whited sepulchres” that were the scribes and Pharisees.
Also indicative of this sarcastic spirit are the references in the Psalms to laughing at your enemies and having them in derision. The image of Christianity presented in the Psalms is one both of praise to God for preserving the lives of His saints and of prayers to God to cut off evildoers and judge the wicked. Take Psalm 52:6-9:
The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him: Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness. But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it: and I will wait on thy name; for it is good before thy saints.
Such passages as this show that although we are certainly to love our enemies and pray for their salvation, we must also remember that it is God who casts down those who strengthen themselves in wickedness, and preserves as an olive tree those who fear Him. And the revelation of this antithesis between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman can at times be found in somewhat biting laughter and mockery.
Often Christians get so caught up in restraining themselves from hating their enemies that they end up thinking it is entirely unrighteous to show disdain for them or to mock them. But we find that the Bible is not devoid of ridicule for the fools, and that Christ Himself spread it rather thick on the Pharisees. In our attempts to understand how best to confront those we disagree with, we must never disregard the pattern of Scripture, as this will always lead to futility.
So we see then that sarcasm can be used righteously, but we must define the goal of sarcasm if we are to avoid the more invidious uses that hinder Christian truth. The goal of satire, as with all forms of rebuke, should be to save a person from error. As James 5:20 says, “He which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” Rebuke in any form is a very gracious act when done with concern for the soul of the man in error.
Mockery should not be the form of rebuke in every situation, however. In Galatians 1:1, Paul says, “Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness.” Never should the usage of sarcasm in the Bible be interpreted to support immediate harshness whenever a brother errs; rather, the emphasis should first be placed on a private rebuke, as this is the first step in the Matthew 18 process.
Yet sometimes mockery is appropriate. Once a person has spurned rebuke, and especially when other Christians are falling into this person’s error, open ridicule may be an appropriate way to call them back to truth. And when the object of the ridicule is the heathen and the workers of iniquity, then mockery is definitely appropriate, as they don’t even share the privilege of brotherhood in Christ. These are the people David and Christ were reproving and mocking. Regarding church discipline, 1 Timothy 5:20 reads, “Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” And this should also be the heart of any appropriate satire; that others also may fear.
So we find that there is no cookie-cutter approach to determining propriety in satire. At times it seems best to just let an error be, or to go privately to the straying brother. But at other times the shrewdest approach appears to be a public ridicule of a person’s doctrine so that others are not led astray. In order to make this judgment of suitable action, we must have a firm grasp of the basic principles and purpose of satire and then let wisdom guide our actions. If we try to lay things out unilaterally, cut and dry, then we will inevitably hurt somebody since situations are more variable than that. But if we rely on wisdom, we can have assurance that our form of rebuke will be fitting for the occasion.
In summary, we must remember that Christianity is not so limp-wristed as to avoid all mockery of wrong positions, as the examples in Scripture show that this is allowable at least in some circumstances. But we must also remember that the purpose of mockery should always be to point out error, and when mockery is causing undue offense or further entrenching a person in their error, it should be pulled back. We must constantly keep in mind that satire, when wrongly used, can be a divisive blade, cutting brethren to pieces where a simple rebuke would have been admonishment enough; but when rightly used, satire can be an exposing light, revealing error and exhorting to repentance.
So let us use satire with wisdom, and pray for such unity in the faith that satire will become entirely unnecessary.
Yes, I believe I will not have to “endure” the Glory of God but will Praise it.
Let’s get this straight because I chose to let you stu in your own juice does not mean I agree with you or the snarky way you package your questions!
So who are you guys this morning?
The only snarky person here to day is you and remember I am supposed to be the only snarky person here. ,-)
What was snarky about that? It was a straight forward statement. You seem to be attributing motives to me that are not there or do not come across that way.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about the different kinds of salvation. I am being serious.
words mean what I say they mean.
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LDS theology in a nutshell with the addition of “and what you(non mormons) say words mean never meant what you say they mean in the first place”.
Matt 24
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Hebrew 12
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
The Spirit of God - The Mormon Tabernacle Choir
1. The Spirit of God like a fire is burning!
The latter-day glory begins to come forth;
The visions and blessings of old are returning,
And angels are coming to visit the earth.
[Chorus]
Well sing and well shout with the armies of heaven,
Hosanna, hosanna to God and the Lamb!
Let glory to them in the highest be given,
Henceforth and forever, Amen and amen!
2. The Lord is extending the Saints understanding,
Restoring their judges and all as at first.
The knowledge and power of God are expanding;
The veil oer the earth is beginning to burst.
[Chorus]
4. How blessed the day when the lamb and the lion
Shall lie down together without any ire,
And Ephraim be crowned with his blessing in Zion,
As Jesus descends with his chariot of fire!
[Chorus]
Hence forth and forever, Amen and Amen. Amen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cFp6UL5DGQ
We do not survive through hardship the Glory of God. If lds believe and you seem to pushing this point that the Glory of God is something to survive, to endure - I pity you.
Moderators have extremely thick skin. It’s a necessary qualification to do the job.
if you want to play this silly word game I do have a choice and not continue!
I am showing you the definition of a word, so we both know where each other is coming from. It has become apparent that you do believe that the Glory of God is something to endure (survive through hardship)
Enduring till the end is NOT enduring the Glory of God. I am going to make it easy for you: endure: to survive: continue to live through hardship or adversity
We do not survive through hardship the Glory of God. If lds believe and you seem to pushing this point that the Glory of God is something to survive, to endure - I pity you.
No doubt.
Must be a very fascinating skin test over the wires! LOL.
Asbestos underware probably helps as well . . . . .
I never said it that way and will not play strawman statements!
It depends how clean one vessel is how much glory/light the spirit will beable withstand.
I gave Moses as an examples the Lord was able to transfigure him but others children there were not even clean enough to withstand the purity of God!
Philip. 2:
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Restraining my fingers.
At least mostly restraining my fingers.
Going to go back to bed to make it easier.
Resty, you did say that the Glory of God is something to be endured.
It is not a straw man, you said it.
My response is that the Glory of God is not something that I will have to endure but something that I will Praise.
If you mistyped, I get that sometimes that happens.
Do you agree with me then that the Glory of God is something to be Praised not endured?
endure as in withstand the bright light.
If ones vessel is not clean enough it will shrivl and meltaway!
Like buring of the tares!
So how close one can get to Heavenly Father will depend how clean their vessel is!
That is why there are 3 degress of glory!
This has nothing to do with Salvation it is which mansion or reward each will receive!
John 14
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And IF I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
see the opertive word “IF” I go than the Lord will receive you!
Why am I not surprised to see salvation=bank account in mormon thinking?
I know you are but what am I?
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