Posted on 03/16/2010 7:25:56 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the latest attack on the pope by the New York Times:
Once upon a time there was a homosexual priest who was accused of molesting boys in Germany. That was 30 years ago. At the approval of Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger (now the pope), he was sent away for therapy and was later reinstated; years later, under a new archbishop, there was another incident and more therapy.
We know this because the New York Times (which does not like to report on molesting rabbis in 2010), told us about this on Saturday in a front-page article. Today, it ran a front-page article on the same story. Was there any difference? Yes. On Saturday, the Times was only able to identify the priest as bearing the initial "H." Today, it has real news: his name is Hullermann. And now "H" has been suspended.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicleague.org ...
Much of the selective outcry has nothing to do with concern for the victims or even the soul of the Catholic Church. It is an issue only because it serves their agenda and ego.
Maybe because society today won’t tolerate sexual abuse upon minors. Minors as defined by what society today defines as someone under the age of 18 by law; at least in the US
Kinda like Obamacare isn’t about Helathcare...its about Power and votes.
When it did, it was inexcusably wrong.
Thats what they used to say about "negros" in the south.
If it were truly about the victims the most shrill on the posters in these threads (and we all know exactly who they are) would be the loudest and angriest about the abuses within their own Church because it personally betrayed their trust too. Their silence speaks louder than their screams.
Excellant point, hadn’t thought of that one. wow, I just missed that.
But to answer the question: I meant ALL Christians, in fact ALL organized religious bodies, for they all seem to have the problem. I do happen to have plenty of vitriol on hand, but I reserve it for the paedophiles in the clergy and elsewhere, traitors, criminals, and the owners of tiny yapping dogs on airliners.
However, I do appreciate the feedback, and shall monitor my rhetorical devices more closely in the future. Promise. And the best of luck with the recovery.
I’m done with you. I refuse to dignify your pedophile protecting position with any further argument. Hopefully you’ll get the help you need.
You need to get over yourself. Don't go away mad, just go away permanently.
Many on the thread have not reached acknowledges the scandal was handled in perhaps the worst way possible.
.... in my own experience, holding on to hurt and rage never brings true peace and resolution.
I pray that is true for you ... and me ...but I am behind you in accepting the resolution of the problem. I think we are just at the beginning of a very long and painful process.
In regard to the abuse in the HRCC, I personally really do not ...yet... see the total acceptance of responsibility that we might agree is needed. OTOH, I do not see the critics of the HRCC putting down this very handy club with which to carry on sectarian battles continued from a dim past.
“You need to get over yourself. Don’t go away mad, just go away permanently.”
This poster has said he had a relative who was abused. There needs to be be some resolution for all victims.
Why? Healing.
In any battle between CNN and whatever is good and decent, I am suspicious of those who go Full-CNN.
Unless of course it's CNN v. Something other than good and decent, which then, I guess, presents a dilemma for some here.
“somewhere between 1.5% and 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse cases.”
That’s rather different than 5 percent. You know, you could have quoted 1.5 to 5 percent.
What diff does the percentage make? Even one minor who was abused and was covered up was wrong.
In some sense, I think that Pope Benedict has privately and forcefully told every part of the Catholic Church to go through there files and investigate and document what has happened regarding sexual abuse. The United States was the first country to systematically go back as far as 1950 and review all accusations made. The John Jay Study clearly documents that about 4% of Catholic Clergy, of the roughly 110,000 who have served since 1950 were involved in some type of sexual abuse of minors. In addition, the Pope has commenced and investigation of Fr. Marciel of the Legionaires and to finally clear that stuff up. I commend the Pope.
The John Jay Study documented that the abuse was most prevalent in the 1960’s and 1970’s, some 81% of the victims were male and the overwhelming majority of those cases were post-pubescent young men, pointing to pedastry as opposed to pedophilia and thus pointing to priests with deep seated homosexual tendencies as the issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
The article linked above does a good job summarizing the John Jay study. The recent report by the Irish Catholic Bishops is consistent with the U.S, in that most of the victims were young males and in fact points out that many accursed Priests, where evidence has been established, have been convicted.
I am thankful to Pope Benedict whose writings and clear teachings are refreshing in this world of as he puts it, one that embraces “a dictatorship of relativism.” Furthermore, I appreciate the Pope for meeting with those who have been the victims of “sexual abuse” by Priests and once all the data is made public, my hope is the Church starts to use its own Priests with training in psychology and loyal to Rome to systematically weed out any seminarian with deep rooted homosexual tendencies.
Still, I have some concerns as to why is it that sexual abuse of minors seems to be portrayed in the TV and print media as a “Catholic Problem”. I would like to point out a recent article from the NYT no less, which cites 3 major insurance Companies who insure over 165,000 Worship Centers, most of them Protestant Churches and Schools.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html
The article states that these Insurance Companies collectively receive on average some 260 complaints of sexual abuse of minors in Protestant churches. Of course, the data is hard to break down among Protestant Pastors, vs. volunteer Lay Youth/Music Ministers, etc, but the facts are the 260 a year are a large number. Of course, my guess is these cases probably involve lots of young youth pastors in their early 30’s getting involved with teenage girls, etc, but still it is sexual abuse.
So again I have some questions, 1) Why has the TV media and other media not researched this story in detail? For example, in June of 2008, the Southern Baptist Convention voted not to do the in-depth research and set up a data base as this June 2008 article from USA Today confirms. Why? why have the secular media not gone after the largest Protestant group in the U.S.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-06-10-southern-baptist_N.htm
2) Why is it that non-Catholics use the sexual abuse of minors in the Catholic Church, which is a serious moral failure on the part of the individual priests who perpetrated this crimes, and the Seminaries who ordained these men and Bishops who failed to address the warning signs to attack the many great Catholic Priests who work in many parts of the world running hospitals and schools, caring for the sick, etc. to attack the Catholic Church directly
I think ultimately the reason the secular media goes after the Catholic CHurch with force, but leaves you Protestant ecclessial communities alone is because it [marxist-secular media] is driven by the spirit of the evil one, who knows who in the end is the real McCoy is, and that is the Catholic Church. It is an institution that goes back to antiquity and is one that can’t be forced by the secular-media’s agenda to conform to the spirit of the age in terms of abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, and sexual morality, etc.
As Pope Benedict alluded to, there is a dictatorship of relativism in U.S. culture that has contributed to a break down of absolutes in terms of what is right and what is wrong, which in turn is impacting the moral foundation of all America, not just Catholics and the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, the TV media (CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC) does not seem to care about sexual abuse of minors but uses the moral failings of the Catholic Church to attack it with the intention of discrediting the Catholic Church which in the end, is the only moral force that can stand up to the forces of Marxist-secular ideology as in the end Protestantism as an institution is powerless to do so as it is divided into thousands of quarrelling sects and continues to divide and divided
The Marxist-secular left hates the Catholic Church because it is rooted in history and thus binds us to a place in time to when Christ became Incarnate and thus throughout history the Catholic Church and Rome just “IS”, it does not need to be explained because its survival is due to nothing other than Divine Providence. Marxist on the other hand hate “history and Tradition” and view History as something that it can created in the future and thus the old traditions and institutions need to be disregarded and Rome just sticks in their craw as they can’t control its message, so they try to attack her.
Thomas Babington Macaulay wrote in his Essays on the History of the Popes (1840):
There is not, and there never was on this earth, a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together the two great ages of human civilisation. No other institution is left standing which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when camelopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian amphitheatre. The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared with the line of the Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back in an unbroken series, from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extends, till it is lost in the twilight of fable. The republic of Venice came next in antiquity. But the republic of Venice was modern when compared to the Papacy; and the republic of Venice is gone, and the Papacy remains. The Papacy remains, not in decay, not a mere antique, but full of life and youthful vigour. The Catholic Church is still sending forth to the farthest ends of the world missionaries as zealous as those who landed in Kent with Augustin, and still confronting hostile kings with the same spirit with which she confronted Attila. The number of her children is greater than in any former age. Her acquisitions in the New World have more than compensated for what she has lost in the Old. Her spiritual ascendency extends over the vast countries which lie between the plains of the Missouri and Cape Horn, countries which, a century hence, may not improbably contain a population as large as that which now inhabits Europe. The members of her communion are certainly not fewer than a hundred and fifty millions; and it will be difficult to show that all other Christian sects united amount to a hundred and twenty millions. Nor do we see any sign which indicates that the term of her long dominion is approaching.
She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished in Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul’s. rank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished in Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul’s.
He was Calvinist-leaning Anglican and no friend of Rome, yet he saw in history, Rome just “IS” and he marveled at it, and with the collapse of the Qing Chinese Dynasty in the early 20th century, the Church of Rome is the most lasting institution in human history and it will survive this long after all of its secular-Marxist critics and Protestant flat-earth society types who love to cast stones at her are long gone and buried.
God Bless and Regards
— Posted by CTrent1564
Great Post.
I see a darker agenda in those who will stop at nothing to besmirch the Catholic Church. There are some truly evil persons who wrap themselves in Reformist rhetoric and recite the attacks authored by Joseph Goebbels.
We all know exactly who they are. They lurk endless on FR and pounce like flies on warm barnyard waste every time there is a thread involving the Catholic Church, or its Catechism, history, or clergy. Regardless of the specific topic they attack the clergy as pedophiles or worse and take great offense at any refutation.
These self proclaimed divinely inspired experts on everything from Scripture and to ancient languages to the Catechism and canon law are vacuously ignorant but are quick to hit the abuse button if challenged. Even when hard evidence is persist in thread after threat to post the same lies.
We are all known by the company we keep. When these serial abusers post in harmony with the Communists, the Nazi's, the secular humanists and Satan you don't have to think very hard to see where their inspiration comes from.
Matters to me. If you are going to quote the Vatican, quote it right. Don’t distort the quote.
Natural Law:
Yes I have been here for a while and read what is posted every day, but don’t post as often, but every now and then, those “we know exactly who they are” will pop up and make posts on threads to go after the Catholic Church and all of it and try to smear the character of every Catholic Deacon, Priest or Bishop.
So every now and then, I kind of take the lead of my fellow American of Italian Ancestry, Sgt. John Basilone, the medal of honor winner from Guadalcanal [later killed at Iwo Jima on 19 February 1945] and come in swinging with heavy fire [allegorically of course] and the “we know exactly who they are” all run for cover.
Thanks for the compliments regarding my post and you have made some nice ones yourself.
Regards
Good posts come easy when all you have to worry about is telling the truth. Truth is uplifting and liberating; two commodities completely absent from the "you know who" crowd.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.