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To: NYer
In the fifth century St. Ambrose put it nicely: ‘Mary was the temple of God, not the god of the temple.’”

Not surprising coming from a man who went from being a pagan to a Bishop in your church in about 2 weeks time. Why not look how Mary's title has evolved over time.

Mary was called woman by Jesus

Mary was called woman by Paul

Mary was called suitable vessel by Ignatius

Mary was called new Eve by Justin Martyr

Mary was called advocate (intercessor, comforter) by Irenaeus

Mary was called ever virgin Mother of God by Origen.

All this evolution of her title in just 200 yrs, so "Temple of God" after another hundred years isn't surprising. It doesn't make it right, though.

14 posted on 03/14/2010 2:19:29 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Might want to do a search on “woman” in your redacted Bible. You will find that what you are claiming is a derogatory is associated with the final triumph. How folks can read the Bible and be so ignorant is amazing.

Book of Revelation 12:1-18:[3]

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and on his heads seven diadems. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days.

7 And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. 8 And they prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth: and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of the testimony: and they loved not their lives unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert, unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth, after the woman, water, as it were a river: that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. 16 And the earth helped the woman: and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 18 And he stood upon the sand of the sea.’’


24 posted on 03/14/2010 5:38:33 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: wmfights

Not surprising coming from a man who went from being a pagan to a Bishop in your church in about 2 weeks time. Why not look how Mary’s title has evolved over time.

Mary was called woman by Jesus

Mary was called woman by Paul

Mary was called suitable vessel by Ignatius

Mary was called new Eve by Justin Martyr

Mary was called advocate (intercessor, comforter) by Irenaeus

Mary was called ever virgin Mother of God by Origen.

All this evolution of her title in just 200 yrs, so “Temple of God” after another hundred years isn’t surprising. It doesn’t make it right, though.

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INDEED.

And it is just THAT SORT OF EVOLUTIONARY

!!!!!!!!!!!!!RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that resulted in a 2 foot thick curtain hiding the Holy of Holies that was rent when Christ was on The Cross.

It was JUST THAT sort of RELIGION that Christ was MOST hostile to.

And, re Mary, your labels did not include the most horrifically blasphemous and idolatrous that are available from their own officially approved documents.


34 posted on 03/14/2010 6:41:54 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wmfights
Not surprising coming from a man who went from being a pagan to a Bishop in your church in about 2 weeks time.

Where did you get this???? St. Ambrose was born into a Christian family in Rome. He was not pagan.
101 posted on 03/15/2010 6:36:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: wmfights

Mormons went straight to Goddess rather than try to sneak a Goddess in through the back door.


152 posted on 03/15/2010 10:54:46 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (A Christian Democrat is better than a heathen Republican)
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To: wmfights

You are totally right. And now just look at the titles the Roman Catholic Organization has bestowed on the being they refer to as “Mary”:

Advocate of Eve
Ark of the Covenant
Assumption
Blessed
Blessed Mother
Cause of Our Joy
Cause of Our Salvation
Comforter of the Afflicted
Co-Redemptrix
Destroyer of Heresy (lol)
Empress of the World
Ever-Virgin
Full of Grace
Gate of Heaven
God-Bearer
Gothic Madonna
Health of the Sick
Help of Christians
Holy Mary
Holy Mother of God
Holy Virgin
Holy Virgin of Virgins
House of Gold
Immaculate
Immaculate Mary
Immaculate Conception
Joy of the Just
Lady
Loving Mother
Madonna
Madonna and Child
Majesty of the Virgin God-bearer
Mary, Favoured Daughter of the Father
Mary, Queen of All Saints
Mary, Spouse of the Holy Spirit
Mary Untier of Knots
Ma’suma - “She who never sinned”
Mistress
Most Blessed
Most Holy
Most Pure
Mother of God
Mother of Christ
Mother of the Church
Mother of our Savior
Mother of Mercy
Mirror of Justice
Mother of the Poor
Mother of the World (Nyina wa Jambo)
Morning Star (rofl)
Mother Inviolate
Mother Most Admirable
Mother Most Amiable
Mother Most Chaste
Mother Most Pure
Mother of Christ
Mother of Divine Grace
Mother of Good Counsel
Mother of Orphans
Mother of Our Creator
Mother of Our Redeemer
Mother of Sorrows
Mother of the Son
Mother Thrice Admirable
Mother Undefiled
Mustafia - “She who was chosen”
Mystical Rose
Notre-Dame
Nova Eva (The New Eve)
Nur - Mary has been called Nur (Light) and Umm Nur (the mother of one who was Light)
Our Lady
Our Lady Nursing
Our Lady of Loreto
Our Lady of Sorrows
Our Lady of Mount Carmel
Our Lady of Kazan
Our Lady of Akita
Our Lady of Akita
Our Lady of Aparecida
Our Lady of Banneux
Our Lady of Beauraing
Our Lady of Bethlehem
Our Lady of China
Our Lady of Combermere
Our Lady of Covadonga
Our Lady of Fatima
Our Lady of the Gate of Dawn
Our Lady of Good Counsel
Our Lady of Grace
Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady of Good Health
Our Lady of Good Success
Our Lady of (etc)
Pity
Pity of the Mother of Sorrows
Qânitah - the Arabic term implies the meaning, not only of constant submission to Allah, but also absorption in prayer and invocation
Queen Conceived Without Original Sin
Queen of the Most Holy Rosary
Queen of Peace
Queen of All Saints
Queen Assumed Into Heaven
Queen of Families
Queen of Heaven
Queen of Angels
Queen of Heaven
Queen of Patriarchs
Queen of Prophets
Queen of Apostles
Queen of Martyrs
Queen of Confessors
Queen of Virgins
Ravisher of Hearts
Refuge of Sinners
Râki’ah - “She who bows down to Allah in worship”
Saint Mary
Seat of Wisdom
She Who Shows the Way
Spiritual Vessel
Singular Vessel of Devotion
Star of the Sea
Siddiqah - “She who accepts as true” or “She who has faith”. The term has also been translated “She who believes sincerely totally”
Sâjidah - “She who prostrates to Allah in worship”
Sa’imah - “She who fasts”
Throne of Wisdom
Tabernacle of the Lord
Temple of the Most Holy Trinity
Treasure House of God’s Graces
Tower of David
Tower of Ivory
Tâhirah - “She who was purified”
The Madonna
The Virgin
The Virgin Mary
The Blessed Virgin Mary
The Blessed Mother
The Immaculate Conception
The Immaculate Heart
Vessel of Honor
Virgin
Virgin Mary
Virgin Most Prudent
Virgin Most Venerable
Virgin Most Renowned
Virgin Most Powerful
Virgin Most Merciful
Virgin Most Faithful

What was the name of that Other Guy again? You know, that What’s His Name? He had something to do with Mary, didn’t He?


340 posted on 03/16/2010 11:38:22 AM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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