Resorting to the personal attack...ho hum....
Posted on 03/12/2010 7:02:37 AM PST by Colofornian
Women have a sacred role in the sanctification and purification of men, Elder Glenn L. Pace of the Seventy told students and faculty during the campus devotional in the Marriott Center at BYU on Tuesday, March 9.
Reflecting on the love he felt from his mother, sister, wife and daughters, Elder Pace spoke of the positive influence women have had on his life.
Speaking specifically about a time when his daughter fell asleep in his arms, Elder Pace noted the comfort it must have brought his daughter to be held by her father. He realized afterward that even greater was the peace and comfort she brought to him.
Looking to the Savior as an example, Elder Pace spoke of the love and respect He bestowed upon women.
"As we read about these associations, our focus is generally on what He teaches them and the love and understanding He gives them," Elder Pace said. "Have you ever considered the possibility that these women provided immense comfort to His burdened soul? It is my belief that He needed them as He journeyed toward living a perfect life in order that He could provide the ultimate sacrifice."
Just as the Savior needed righteous women, so do men today in purifying and sanctification in their lives.
Sharing excerpts from the story of the creation found in the book of Abraham, Elder Pace told of how the earth was created — before Eve — where Adam had been placed in the Garden of Eden. In the garden, Adam was enjoying a utopia in physical surroundings as well as open communication with God. Still, it was not complete without Eve.
"I believe the Father's statement 'It is not good that the man should be alone' (Genesis 2:18) had a much more profound meaning than the obvious biological implications," he said. "It also went further than providing Adam with company. Adam's ability to obtain the purification necessary to get back into the presence of God was dependent upon his continuous association with Eve."
In order for men and women to obtain the highest degree of celestial glory, there is need to be married, Elder Porter said.
"There is a limit to our spiritual development as long as we are single. There is a spiritual development which can only be obtained when a man and a woman join their incomplete selves into a complete couple," he said. "Just as conception requires the physical union of male and female, perfection requires the union of the very souls of male and female."
Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said.
"The world we live in has gone awry with its focus on the physical part of the male and female relationship. If there is too much focus on the physical, the vital areas of intellectual, emotional and spiritual union are not being placed in an environment where they can flourish and grow."
Elder Pace spoke of the obsession the current society has on "making love," rather than developing a complete relationship that enables "expressing love." Because melding divine natures is a necessary element in bringing about perfection, Elder Pace said, individuals must guard against any deterioration of those natures.
"If the world keeps chipping away at the divine nature of women, it is probable that our relationships in marriage will not bring about the sanctification necessary for exaltation or, at a minimum, the process will be delayed," he said.
Referring to the phrase, "men have the priesthood and women have been given the blessing of procreation," Elder Pace spoke of the importance of each role in a relationship, and the ability couples have to complement one another in their eternal roles.
"It is the marriage ceremony in the temple where husband and wife receive the power to perfect their relationship and, thereby, obtain their exaltation."
As individuals work together to become a whole, as the Lord has commanded, they work together to become a combination of complementary capacities and characteristics.
"Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny."
How long have been on FR?
At least they are consistent as a team...
There is no reason to be coy about it, that should be something you are proud of...
Resorting to the personal attack...ho hum....
How long have been on FR?
Several years but I usually only lurk the main page from time to time. The religion board seems to be taken over by people who actively attack the LDS denomination.
It’s really the same old stuff regurgitated on many boards over the years by people who really have no sincere interest in the truth.
Another example of a misleading attack. The Bible is part of our standard scripture.
While our interpretations may differ, as many denominations do, inferring that we do not believe in the bible is misleading at best.
But... you already know that I am sure. Enjoying yourself?
Hum...
Anyways, again the lack of a demonstration or reference to information that could rebut or have rebutted with success these long running “attacks” leaves me and the lurkers a bit flat...
Like its all talk and such...
Of course that would not be the case, there is certainly substantial and verifiable proof and sources to support your claims...
Right?
Glenn L. Pace: “Women have a sacred role in the sanctification and purification of men”
Nana asked PD: “What was the number of women who have been mormon prophets and presidents again ???”
PD to Nana: “I’m not sure why I am even answering you.”
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No ???
Then I’ll tell you why...
This is just some new proganda from the mormon corporation...
The other day one of the mormons said “Mormons believe men and women are equal. In fact, we believe women are naturally more righteous than men. This is why the Priesthood is given only to men since we need it in order to approach the spiritual level of women.”
This is a new thing that the mormons are doing...
Womden have always been second class citizens in at best in mormondom...
Heber C Kimball, who was a member of the “first presidency”, and had 45 “wives”, said, “I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying another cow”
Glenn L. Pace: “Women have a sacred role in the sanctification and purification of men”
Nana asked PD: “What was the number of women who have been mormon prophets and presidents again ???”
PD to Nana: “I’m not sure why I am even answering you.”
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Let’s continue with Heber Chase Kimbal, that “paragon defender” of high placed womanhood and the virtue therein..
Joey Smith once demanded that the wives of all the 12 mormon apostles be given to him...
When Joey Smith demanded Kimball’s favorite wife, Vilate, Kimball gave Smith his 14 year old daughter, Helen, instead...
Helen was coerced into the illicit liaison with Smith by being lied to and told that unless she agreed her whole family would not go to the mormon after life...
her father lied to her and told her that she would not have to have sex with Joey Smith...
Smith’s intentions towards women were always of a sexual nature...he built his religion on sexual conquests...
Helen Mar Kimball later wrote that she had been tricked and said if she had known that the night she was to spend with joey Smith in his bed included sex she would not have agreed...
Helen had been convinced that the “marriage” to the adulterous pedophile Joey Smith was for later in “eternity” and not now for “time” meaning physical sex...
No respect or regard for “sacred” womanhood or “sacred” marriage there...
Most if not all of Joey Smith’s sexual liaisons he called “celestial marriage” were for time and not eternity...
Those of you with issues or questions should seek clarification from sources other than biased anti-Mormons ...
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Well, that is amusing since the ‘antis’(and especially us ex-mos) are more likely to truth than the LDS church members are.
I know, ‘milk’ before ‘meat’, but the LDS milk is spoiled and the meat rotten.
Someone has to tell the truth about the LDS and they sure aren’t doing it.
Isn’t that called spiritual bait-and-switch?
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That is a VERY apt description.
Since you appear to be so well-informed, on this “divine truth” why don’t YOU post this “clarification” right here on this thread? With sources and links, please.
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I predict crickets...
You are a closed-minded anti-Mormon propagandist. Nothing more.
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You engage in Ad hominum attacks rather than actually present a defense. Sure sign (of the nail) of a losing argument.
I did look otherwise and at length...it is still rubbish.
the old and tired arguments against the LDS church.
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I suppose it has not occurred to you that those arguments have merit. Unfortunately, most Mormons have spiritual blinders on.
And spare me the spin of Fair/Farms, I’ve read them.
The are interesting examples of ‘spin control’ but are not considered valid rebuttals in non-LDS academia.
Do you have any sources that are “unbiased”?
The source in this article is from the LdS.
How could it be considered “biased” since this information is being presented by an LdS leader ?
I laugh every time I see that LOLcat.
It is cute
:)
The Bible is part of our standard scripture.
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Only ‘so far as it is translated correctly’ whatever THAT means this week. That goes even FARTHER out the window once you know how to read Greek/Hebrew.
The LDS only use the verses that support their doctrines and throw the rest out as being unreliable and probably corrupt.
And then there is the JST...
Please share with us just WHICH VERSES of the Bible are not ‘translated correctly’. We can avoid those and I can still use the Bible (in context with proper exegesis) to prove Mormonism false.
We don’t do this because it is ‘fun’. We do this because it is NECESSARY. The LDS want to claim to be Christians at the same time claiming other churches are ‘apostate’ and the LDS is the ‘only true church’. So we Christians have a responsibility, a duty, to scrutinize their teachings & doctrines in light of the Bible.
Waiting for direct evidence of this.
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