[acipher]

I disagree that I am at odds with the third article of faith.

It says salvation comes through the atonement of Christ.
What is the condition for the atonement to apply? Obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

Is salvation conditional upon obedience? Yes. Is it the obedience which saves us? NO. Can we take credit? NO.

I see very little difference from the following:

Is salvation conditional upon obedience(belief in Christ)? Yes. Is it the obedience(belief in Christ) which saves us? NO. Can we take credit? NO.

[Tennessee Nana]

Would that be circular reasoning in a straight line ???

[Godzilla]

It says salvation comes through the atonement of Christ.

You get to be resurrected, but for the ultimate mormon salvation you are entirely required to rely upon you works.

Is salvation conditional upon obedience? Yes.

Eph 2:8 KJV - For by grace (God's loving-kindness) are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[Colofornian]

It says salvation comes through the atonement of Christ. What is the condition for the atonement to apply? Obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

Acipher, would you look at what I wrote in post #31? I cited a part of this article which reads: ...and in doing that opened the kingdom of heaven, not only to all believers and all who obeyed the law of God, but to more than one-half of the human family who die before they come to years of maturity as well as to the heathen, who having died without law, will, through His mediation, be resurrected without law, and be judged without law, and thus participate…in the blessings of His Atonement [Taylor, pp. 148-49].

Don't you see how Mormons are speaking out of both sides of their mouths? On the one hand, this article's author is saying the atonement applies to even heathen who don't know Jesus, and thus accrue benefits of the atonement...(And if we want to extend that beyond the heathen, Lds say essentially everybody is saved anyway...no matter what their relationship is with Christ). Now you are saying conditions exist for the atonement to apply - obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

So which is it? Does the atonement have no conditions which applies to all, even heathens? Or does it have conditions of obedience? If it has conditions of obediences, then how are those who don't obey going to be benefactors?

Now, let me add one more component when we're discussing both salvation and the atonement: Timing.
When are we/were we/will be saved?
When are we/were we/will be atoned for?

These are important questions, and are not to be ignored. I'm truly interested in your perpective on those 2 Q.

[Colofornian]

...salvation comes through the atonement of Christ. What is the condition for the atonement to apply? Obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

I'm still asking these 2 Q in response to post #49:
When are we/were we/will be saved?
When are we/were we/will be atoned for?

[reaganaut]

What is the condition for the atonement to apply? Obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

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Obedience is based upon the individual’s effort according to the dictates of the LDS church.

Belief (Christian view) is based upon reception, that is all.

Back to the gift analogy, does it make a gift conditional if we put out our hand and say ‘thank you’? NO

Is a gift conditional if we are told we have to ‘clean up our room’? YES.

Huge difference.