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To: reaganaut

And of course, you err in your assertion.

In Luke 23:43, Jesus told the thief on the cross: “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Certain Christians mistakenly interpret “paradise” to mean heaven. It doesn’t.

In John 20:17, the Savior, after his resurrection, states to Mary: “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

If paradise were heaven where Christ told the thief he would be with Him, Christ wouldn’t have told Mary three days after his crucifixion outside the tomb that he had yet to ascend to his Father.

After Christ’s crucifixion and before his resurrection, he was in the spirit world teaching his Gospel. This is made plain in 1 Peter 3:18,19 where Peter teaches:

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;


652 posted on 03/01/2010 8:04:47 PM PST by ComeUpHigher
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To: ComeUpHigher; MHGinTN; Tennessee Nana; Godzilla; Colofornian; colorcountry

actually you err in your misinterpretation.

Prison refers to those who had died prior to Christ death.

Christians recognize they were in Abraham’s bosom, not heaven.

Paradise is Heaven. The ascension of Christ post resurrection was after he overcame death and hell.

The LDS assume there is a limbo, but scripture does not support that.

http://www.gotquestions.org/paradise.html


668 posted on 03/01/2010 8:09:31 PM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ComeUpHigher; Normandy; reaganaut; SZonian; SENTINEL; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; ...
In Luke 23:43, Jesus told the thief on the cross: “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” Certain Christians mistakenly interpret “paradise” to mean heaven. It doesn’t.

Well, why then, let's apply the "Mormon" spin to this. Now, you take a thief...and Mormons say paradise is not heaven...so what name do Mormons give to that pre-heavenly "treading water" place again applicable to the average lifestyle thief???...why that would mean this thief is in the place of damnation, which Mormons redefine to mean "damned up" (D&C 19, etc.)

A person not yet in a degree of glory to the Mormon is in a place called "endless damnation" -- which, BTW, Christians & other lurkers -- doesn't mean to the Mormon, "endless damnation" at all. (Yeah, I know but that's the way Joseph Smith worked...he used the SAME exact word to describe both heaven & hell -- "everlasting" and "endless" -- yet as he "revelated" the word "endless" supposed was just an attribute of God tacked on for some reason to the word "damnation"...but really just means for Mormons "damned up" for a while...)

Bottom line to all of Joe Smith's word shenanigans? When Jesus told the thief that "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." What Jesus really meant upon putting it thru the Mormon magical word machine was,
"Today, you will be with me in endless damnation, all damned up, waiting for a degree of glory to be eventually conferred upon you by some Mormon missionary beyond the veil...
...who will be summoned to you once your birth records have been located, and a proxy baptism substitute has been located,
and a Mormon temple built in close proximity enough to whoever wants to eventually claim you as a distant ancestor..."

746 posted on 03/01/2010 9:15:57 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: ComeUpHigher
If paradise were heaven where Christ told the thief he would be with Him, Christ wouldn’t have told Mary three days after his crucifixion outside the tomb that he had yet to ascend to his Father.

Why does mormonism insist on limiting Christ's power to multitask?

In John 20:17, the Savior, after his resurrection, states to Mary: “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

The mormon Christ would be limited to His physical body...the Christian Christ has in His power to BOTH be telling Mary "I am not yet ascended to my Father", and at the same time be with the thief in Heaven

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true." - Prophet Birgham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91

No room for free passes, even with the permission of the Savior.

996 posted on 03/02/2010 9:37:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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