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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Godzilla
Emphasis mine: [kosta said] To say you have a brother is not an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence under oridnary circumstances.

Which you follow with "It is so obvious that there was [sic] a Creator..." ?!?

This is probably one of your most bizarre responses that I can remember. This has absolutely nothing to do with my statement you quote and even underscore. What does that have to do with you saying you have a brother and me saying that it is not an extraordinary claim???

Also, there is nothing "obvious" that there "was" [Freudian slip?] a Creator. It is a hypothetical assumption.

740 posted on 03/08/2010 9:45:40 PM PST by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Godzilla
Thank you for your reply, dear kosta50!

You evidently do not consider my claim of a brother to be extraordinary requiring evidence, but you evidently do consider my claim of God to be extraordinary requiring evidence.

It is obvious to me that God the Creator is not obvious to you. Therefore, the passages from Romans 1 above apply.

The Creation of the present heaven and earth happened, therefore I used the past tense.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - Genesis 1:1

These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, - Genesis 2:4

The Creation of the new heaven and new earth is yet to come.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. - Revelation 21:1-8

As an interesting side note concerning the second death mentioned above:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die [literally, muwth muwth or “death death”]. – Genesis 2:17

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28

God's Name is I AM.

741 posted on 03/08/2010 10:04:28 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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