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To: Poe White Trash
Enjoying your history lessons - not something I heard much about during my catechism years (wonder why?). I think what some fail to realize is that we "Protestants" can hear all about the reformers, the good and the bad, without feeling the need to defend everything they ever did. We acknowledge that they were all sinners like everybody else. We don't claim they are infallible, we don't claim they cannot make errors. Not everything they said was correct or even scriptural. Some others, though, can't seem to ever admit "their guys" did anything wrong. It's as if to admit to it is to somehow let the humanity show - can't have that!

That's why I love scripture, it reveals all the faults, failures and inadequacies (which proves men didn't make it up, else they would come across as pure as the driven snow, right?). And in spite of mankind's' imperfections, we have a God that still loves us, redeems us, leads us into righteousness and truth and welcomes us home at the end of our days.

178 posted on 02/27/2010 9:59:36 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

You wrote:

“We don’t claim they are infallible, we don’t claim they cannot make errors.”

Are you telling us that you don’t know the difference between impeccable and infallible?

“Not everything they said was correct or even scriptural.”

Who is claiming it was?

“Some others, though, can’t seem to ever admit “their guys” did anything wrong.”

Exactly who? Please name someone.

“It’s as if to admit to it is to somehow let the humanity show - can’t have that!”

Again, EXACTLY who?

“That’s why I love scripture, it reveals all the faults, failures and inadequacies (which proves men didn’t make it up, else they would come across as pure as the driven snow, right?).”

And you don’t think that history shows “faults, failures and inadequacies”?

“And in spite of mankind’s’ imperfections, we have a God that still loves us, redeems us, leads us into righteousness and truth and welcomes us home at the end of our days.”

And in spite of mankind’s’ imperfections, we still have an infallible God, inerrant scripture and an infallible Church led by a pope who can teach infallibly, to help lead us into righteousness and truth so that we are welcomed home at the end of days.


181 posted on 02/27/2010 10:13:47 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: boatbums
Quite right! No one seriously claims the Reformers were impeccable or infallible, or that everything they wrote or spoke is without error.

Otherwise we would be in the unenviable position of feeling obligated to defending everything done by our spiritual ancestors, which would be not just immoral but impossible.

It makes me wonder if somewhere there exist RCs who defend the forgery called the Donation of Constantine, or the judicial murder and confiscation of the property of converso men and women judged as being unrepentant heretics by "Church"-sponsored/staffed inquisitios.

192 posted on 02/28/2010 2:56:23 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: boatbums; Poe White Trash
That's why I love scripture, it reveals all the faults, failures and inadequacies (which proves men didn't make it up, else they would come across as pure as the driven snow, right?). And in spite of mankind's' imperfections, we have a God that still loves us, redeems us, leads us into righteousness and truth and welcomes us home at the end of our days.

Amen,

I want to second the commendation for the history lessons ...

198 posted on 02/28/2010 4:53:23 AM PST by RnMomof7
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