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To: Cronos; UriÂ’el-2012; xone
I just gave you proof:
1. Scripture says that in the Commandments "I Am the Lord your God and you shall have no other gods before me" -- that God is one
2. Yet as Christians we say that Christ is God
3. Yet, as you point out, scripture shows that God the Father and Christ are separate.

So, how do you put 1,2 and 3 together?

Simply put, I don't.

Many remove statement 2 (Arius' belief). Uri seems to (please correct me if I'm wrong) not agree with statement 3.

So what? The first is patently wrong, and can be proven upon the Word, and the second depends upon what "separate" is exactly.

If you agree to the above 3 statements, then what is the only logical conclusion you can come to? That the Godhead is one, yet three in "some" way, correct?

"Yet 3 in some way" can be a lot of things different from the common, clinical Trinitarian view.

I've pointed it out and will point out again -- this is not an exclusively Catholic sense of the Trinity but one shared by all Trinitarian Christians, whether Reformed or Baptist or Anglican or Catholic or Lutheran or Orthodox.

Accepted. But as I stated, it is my position that the Protestants did not protest enough. The Trinitarian concept comes from the RC/Ortho side.

Bear in mind, I meant no particular offense in that attribution, either now, or before. Not in the saying of it anyway.

Do we consider it to be precise? No [...] Do we consider it to be exclusive? No [...]

Precise enough, and exclusive enough, that one is not a considered to BE Christian if one does not conform to that very particular model - I know it to be true, as I have been so accused - Even though I am basically Trinitarian, though I do not claim it as "truth". I refuse to say that the Trinitarian model is absolutely correct...

We don't know and could never know the exact nature of the Godhead, but we can, through scripture and Holy Tradition, know what it is not.

I would agree with half of that - What is in the Scriptures is all that matters.

1,243 posted on 02/26/2010 2:51:44 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1; xone
Many remove statement 2 (Arius' belief). Uri seems to (please correct me if I'm wrong) not agree with statement 3. So what? The first is patently wrong, and can be proven upon the Word,

If you read Arius, you'll see that he sticks to scripture for his proofs. The parts where we see "The Father and I are one" or "I am who I am", he reads literally as saying that this means that Jesus was of the same beliefs as and that he was just saying who he was. The Arians do not / would not accept our collective interpretation which is that Jesus Christ is indeed, God.
1,282 posted on 02/26/2010 8:35:41 PM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: roamer_1; Cronos; xone
C> 3. Yet, as you point out, scripture shows that God the Father and Christ are separate.

Uri seems to (please correct me if I'm wrong) not agree with statement 3.

"Yet 3 in some way" can be a lot of things different from the common, clinical Trinitarian view.

I look to Scriptures that are not in dispute.
Lev 26:11 'Moreover, I will make My dwelling{tabernacle} among you, and My soul will not reject you.

Lev 26:12 'I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, .... 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt{tabernacle} among us,

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

John 14:9 Jesus said to him,... He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
how {can} you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Shabbat Shalom !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,297 posted on 02/27/2010 8:00:46 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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