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WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'
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| 1-23-10
| James Swan
Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Quix
I've never heard of any church other than the Roman Catholic church counting ex-members in their membership rolls.
In our Presbyterian church (and most every other church you mentioned) only active members are included. The people in the pews on Sunday are who are being counted as members.
In fact, when you move you transfer your membership from the previous Presbyterian church to the new one. There's no place for padding the numbers.
It's not about numbers. 8~)
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:34:27 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: roamer_1; xone
Many remove statement 2 (Arius' belief). Uri seems to (please correct me if I'm wrong) not agree with statement 3. So what? The first is patently wrong, and can be proven upon the Word,
If you read Arius, you'll see that he sticks to scripture for his proofs. The parts where we see "The Father and I are one" or "I am who I am", he reads literally as saying that this means that Jesus was of the same beliefs as and that he was just saying who he was. The Arians do not / would not accept our collective interpretation which is that Jesus Christ is indeed, God.
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:35:41 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: roamer_1
You and I both know that the RCC/Ortho folks DO hold tradition to be equal to the Word of God
Yes, and as I've said: Tradition does not contradict Scripture.
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:38:09 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: editor-surveyor
It is a personal interpretation that has been enforced by political power and decree, and cries out for resolution.
As I said that is not "personal" -- that is the interpretation of the Oriental, Assyrian, Orthodox and Catholic Apostolic Church not any one individuals. -- it is not one individual who came up and said "aha!", but was the interpretation of the entire Church, the body of believers for 1500+ years...
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:40:06 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: roamer_1
As to traditions, Somewhere, somehow, there must be an irrefutable standard (as in measurement) by which all things are judged. That must be the Holy Word of God. That which (as we agree)is God breathed is Holy, and by His Nature, MUST be revered above all else.
Of course, but the Early Christians had a question mark: what exactly IS God-breathed? They knew the Mat, Mrk, Luke and Jhn were, but what about the other 80 gospels in Circulation? What about the Acts of Paul and Theda? What about the Protoevangelium? What of the Gospel of Thomas?
Tradition is the tool the Holy Spirt used to bring together the truly inspired works into one canon.
The standard used by the Holy SPirit through the councils was simple: is it in tradition, is it in the orthdox faith? And that's what tool the Spirit used to collect the canon.
Holy Tradition does not contradict Scripture
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:43:51 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
I certainly don’t KNOW.
I have heard about RC churches doing it and I’ve heard about some Baptist churches round these parts doing it.
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:45:47 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Quite incorrect — US gov census will ask people what they believe in and that is then marked. This is not Scandanavian style.
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:50:29 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: roamer_1
Acceptable as being Christian. A particular understanding of the Godhead is not part of the formula for being born again (Christian).
That is, anyone who accepts Jesus as their Lord?
What of those who reject Jesus Christ's divinity yet call him Lord or Prophet?
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:53:12 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Judith Anne
Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply, dear sister in Christ!
To: Dr. Eckleburg
One day we will know how much deflection from His word and idolatry in our hearts God will forgive us. Because it's in everyone's heart. The point of life is to minimize that natural tendency toward self-love and maximize our spiritual understanding of God's love, by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ, our only Redeemer.
Praise God! Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, dear sister in Christ!
To: Marysecretary
WE HEAR THE CALL OF CHRIST..NO OTHER.Amen, Mary!
Mark asks for evidence of your statement, and from what most of us know of you, the good fruit of your life and the confidence you have in His word are all the evidence anyone needs to realize you are a child of the eternal Triune God who has loved you and graced you with faith from before the foundation of the world...just because it pleased Him to do so.
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posted on
02/26/2010 9:43:37 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Ken4TA; MarkBsnr; Marysecretary; Gamecock; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; ...
I am an ex-Catholic, and so is my family of 9 children. The last time I checked two years ago, all of us were still counted as being Catholics. That's 11 of us counted that are not a part of the Catholic church. The real percentage of Catholics in the USA is way smaller - maybe only 15%.Thank you for your first-hand knowledge of this fact, Ken. (Pinging a few others who might be interested in this information.)
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posted on
02/26/2010 9:48:53 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: blue-duncan; P-Marlowe
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posted on
02/26/2010 9:50:22 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Ken4TA
My questions to you, if you dare answer them by reading what it actually says: "What two things made man a living soul? Does this say that God put a "soul" into the body of man?I'm guessing you figure a 'soul' is the result of flesh plus spirit...A breathing person is a soul...
I've read some of yours and your author's stuff on your website...
The views are not new...Been around for who knows how long...
But the thing I noticed is that you have to change some words in the English text and mess with the placement of the punctuation to get to where you're at...
AND of course, you use the African manuscripts to prove your points where I stick with the Majority texts...
I'm certainly not a scholar...But I try to keep up with some of those, as much as time allows, who have spent their lives studying the scriptures...
As we know, the Apostle Paul said he'd rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord...So we know that the soul is not the body...
Therefore the soul can not be the culmination of the body/spirit...In Paul's case, the body is missing...
We know that the spirit is wind, or like wind...It is the breath that we breathe...Greek word is pneuma...Pneumatics...Air...
And the Spirit of God goes where we don't know because we can't see it...But yet someone sees the souls of those beheaded under the altar in Revelation...
I'll stick with the souls in heaven scenario...
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posted on
02/27/2010 6:14:54 AM PST
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you for your first-hand knowledge of this fact, Ken. (Pinging a few others who might be interested in this information.) You're welcome, and I thank you for the suggestion to post it. I wonder if any Catholics would attempt to make hay out of it? I could then bring up many more things to show that the 24% figure is way to high.
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posted on
02/27/2010 6:20:58 AM PST
by
Ken4TA
(The truth sometimes hurts - but is truth nonetheless!)
To: Cronos
Quite incorrect US gov census will ask people what they believe in and that is then marked. This is not Scandanavian style. I had the chance to work for the Census in 2000 as a follow up census worker. One gets all kinds of answers pertaining to church attendance, and during the interview one can see plainly that the questions are so broad-based that one can make anything out of them. The Census Bureau conducts a census every year on some topics, and the religious attendance question doesn't appear on the 10 year census ordered by the Constitution of the USA. I find that many people check "Catholic" when in reality they are attending a different church. When asked, they admit that they don't really practice the Catholic faith, and the same goes to those who check other denominations - they don't really practice that religion. Thusly, our whole system is out of whack. The result: figures are questionable on who belongs to what organized religion. BTW, people lie quite often on this topic - many times to stop others from thinking them as unbelievers.
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posted on
02/27/2010 6:44:53 AM PST
by
Ken4TA
(The truth sometimes hurts - but is truth nonetheless!)
To: roamer_1; Cronos; xone
C> 3. Yet, as you point out, scripture shows that God the Father and Christ are separate. Uri seems to (please correct me if I'm wrong) not agree with statement 3.
"Yet 3 in some way" can be a lot of things different from the common, clinical Trinitarian view.
I look to Scriptures that are not in dispute. Lev 26:11 'Moreover, I will make My dwelling{tabernacle} among you, and My soul will not reject you. Lev 26:12 'I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, .... 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt{tabernacle} among us,
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."
John 14:9 Jesus said to him,... He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
how {can} you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Shabbat Shalom !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
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posted on
02/27/2010 8:00:46 AM PST
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
To: Quix; Alamo-Girl
Thank you so very much for your kind words of support, dear brother in Christ!
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posted on
02/27/2010 8:54:39 AM PST
by
betty boop
(Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
To: betty boop
YOU ARE MOST WELCOME.
Thanks for your kind reply.
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posted on
02/27/2010 9:12:44 AM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg
I decided to go old skul last night and watched Papillion. In the scene where Pappy is at the convent trying to secure his freedom the head Nun, after stealing his pearls and turning him over to the police, gave the gospel of Rome.
Paraphrase: “If you have sinned you have made amends by feeding half the village... If you have not sinned you have nothing to worry about God will be with you.”
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posted on
02/27/2010 9:15:47 AM PST
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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