WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'

Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 1-23-10 | James Swan

[Iscool]

There are no ROMAN Catholic threads on the forum.

Are you Petronski's mother???

[wagglebee]

ok...is Arius home?

He has the day off, Nestorius is filling in for him today.

[Cronos]

Iscool: Jesus is still separate from God...As is the Holy Spirit...

The Holy Spirit is here, on earth, in the bodies of men/women...Jesus and God are in Heaven...

If you study the scriptures, you know it's in there

Thank you Iscool. Just to be accurate to your beliefs, in sola scriptura (scripture alone) you say you, ISCOOL, have the conclusion that:

1. Jesus is separate from God
2. The Holy Spirit is separate from God
3. The Holy Spirit is here on earth, in the bodies of men and women
4. Jesus is in Heaven with his creator God

Have I captured your statements correctly?

[Iscool]

Scripture and Holy Tradition do not contradict each other as Holy Tradition birthed Scripture

But it is not your Catholic tradition which is Holy...Your Catholic tradition contradicts scripture...

[Iscool]

ok...is Arius home?

I don't know Arius...And Dave's not here either...

[wagglebee]

And if Jesus Christ is “separate” from God, that means one of two things:

1. That Jesus Christ IS NOT God.

or

2. That Jesus Christ is A God and the person who believes this is a polytheist.

[Cronos]

Scripture and Holy Tradition do not contradict each other as Holy Tradition birthed Scripture

[wagglebee]

Jesus is still separate from God.

So, do you deny that Jesus Christ is God? Because ALL of Christianity considers this to be heretical.

Or, do you consider Jesus Christ to be ONE God and the Father to be ANOTHER God? Because ALL Christians also consider polytheism to be heretical.

[Iscool]

Have I captured your statements correctly?

Yes...And Jesus also said, 'I and my Father are One'...

They are three, but they are one...That's pretty clear in the scriptures...And it's definitely not just 3 natures...

Now God never asked your religion to define it, and He certainly didn't give you a private revelation as to the nature of the Trinity...HE didn't even ask you to understand it...

Your view of the Trinity is nothing more than a wild guess...And your guess is clearly wrong...

[Cronos]

Yes, the prophet Iscool will tell we which option is correct

[Iscool]

And if Jesus Christ is “separate” from God, that means one of two things: 1. That Jesus Christ IS NOT God. or 2. That Jesus Christ is A God and the person who believes this is a polytheist.

Jesus provided a lot more information than that in the scriptures on the topic... A little bible study would do you good...Well, no it wouldn't... You're not allowed to believe anything outside of what your religion tells you...

[Iscool]

Yes, the prophet Iscool will tell we which option is correct

Take off your Catholic blinders and prayerfully open the scriptures and likely God will show you many things you never imagined...

[Cronos]

Ah, yes, And yet, they CANNOT be separate because we believe that God is ONE. We also believe that Jesus was God. And we believe that they were separate "somethings":)

And you said That proves again that you still don't have a clue about the Trinity....

They are three, but they are one...That's pretty clear in the scriptures...And it's definitely not just 3 natures..."

[wagglebee]

Jesus provided a lot more information than that in the scriptures on the topic... A little bible study would do you good...Well, no it wouldn't... You're not allowed to believe anything outside of what your religion tells you...

Great evasion tactic, but it won't work.

You have made the statement that Jesus Christ is separate from God. This statement stems from one of two beliefs, BOTH of which are considered heretical by ALL Christians. Do you believe:

A. That Jesus Christ IS NOT God?
or
B. That Jesus Christ and God the Father are TWO SEPARATE Gods?

[Cronos]

Iscool: Jesus is still separate from God.

Wagglebee: " So, do you deny that Jesus Christ is God? Because ALL of Christianity considers this to be heretical.

Or, do you consider Jesus Christ to be ONE God and the Father to be ANOTHER God? Because ALL Christians also consider polytheism to be heretical. "

Iscool insists that he has reached that conclusion via sola scriptura. I don't believe that Lutherans or Baptists share that belief, but may be wrong.

[Cronos]

Wagglebee: And if Jesus Christ is “separate” from God, that means one of two things: 1. That Jesus Christ IS NOT God. or 2. That Jesus Christ is A God and the person who believes this is a polytheist

Iscool: Jesus provided a lot more information than that in the scriptures on the topic... A little bible study would do you good..."

Oh, we're sorry, as you said Iscool: Jesus is still separate from God...As is the Holy Spirit...

The Holy Spirit is here, on earth, in the bodies of men/women...Jesus and God are in Heaven...

If you study the scriptures, you know it's in there

Which in sola scriptura (scripture alone) you say you, ISCOOL, have the conclusion that:

1. Jesus is separate from God
2. The Holy Spirit is separate from God
3. The Holy Spirit is here on earth, in the bodies of men and women
4. Jesus is in Heaven with his creator God

[Uri’el-2012]

And UriÂ’el would be correct. In fact, UriÂ’el is quite correct.

If the Father required a Roman Catholic sense of the Trinity, it would be very specifically laid out in the Scriptures. It is *not*. The exact makeup of the Godhead is an unfathomable mystery.

UriÂ’el has taken nothing away from the Scriptures, nor has he added to it. He speaks the Gospel of the Risen Lord.

Amen ! Brother.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Iscool]

You have made the statement that Jesus Christ is separate from God. This statement stems from one of two beliefs, BOTH of which are considered heretical by ALL Christians.

Now there you go again...Trying to use your fleshly, human logic to decipher spiritual matters...

You give me two options to believe in...And I of course reject both of those...

[Ken4TA]

"Thanks for telling us we're correct."

Certainly. The Vatican did not select Scripture. The Church did.

You are correct in part. The "Church" you mention was not the organization later formed as the "Catholic" church - it was the "universal" agreement of the books of the Bible that were already being used by Churches of Christ in most areas of Christianity. Of course, before Carthage listed the books, many Christians had already decided which ones they were. History shows us this.

"Wrong reasons"?

You don't know the reasons why I said what I did - please get over it and recognize that others are entitled to tell what they have learned from history.

Sorry about that. Truth will out, though. You are wrong, overall.

Okay, you're forgiven. Yes, Truth will out! As for being wrong, that's your opinion, and I can accept that :-)

[xone]

Your point:

But there are also insurmountable dichotomies which can be listed

Your answer:

Who can define God? No one can.

Except God Himself. I'll take Jesus' word: John 14:7

7If you really knew me, you would know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."