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* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
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Posted on 02/19/2010 1:15:34 PM PST by SmithL
BACKGROUND:
Lutheran CORE, an umbrella group of organizations, led the fight against the ELCA proposal to roster gay and lesbian pastors last summer. When the vote went in favor of gay pastors, CORE announced it would have a splinter denomination ready for launch at its 2010 convocation in August.
THE PLAN:
The North American Lutheran Church (NALC) will be based on four "key attributes" that were listed as "Christ-centered, mission-driven, traditionally grounded and congregationally focused." Under the plan, CORE will not be a part of the denomination.
WHY THE CORE-NALC SEPARATION?
"CORE's membership extends beyond the ELCA to other Lutheran denominations," including Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (LCMC) and the Oromo church, said the Rev. Mark Chavez, the organization's director. If CORE became the new denomination, those churches would drop out. In addition, CORE includes representatives from churches that likely will remain in the ELCA and doesn't want to exclude them, said the Rev. Paull Spring, chairman of the steering committee.
DUAL MEMBERSHIP:
The plan confirms that churches that are split on which denomination to join will be encouraged to belong to both the ELCA and NALC. The ELCA has said that it will not oppose dual membership.
HOW THINGS STAND:
A church wanting to leave the ELCA must hold two votes at least 90 days apart. To date, 220 congregations have held the first vote; 64 of those rejected the move.
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In all Christian charity... how does this advance Jesus’s desire that we all be ONE as He and the Father are ONE? Should we rejoice at another schism in the Christian community? Does this strengthen or weaken the Church?
It helps distinguish the sheep from the goats.
To seriously answer your question, there is only one way to be One together as Jesus and the Father are one. And that is to hold to the teachings of the Scriptures.
Once that has been given up, true Christian unity is already destroyed. It can never been regained by compromising God’s truth.
Accordingly, the only way to achieve Christian unity is to separate from those who refuse to obey Scriptures. This is what the New Testament writers frequently command and when Christians stand up for truth that always strengthens the Church.
To seriously answer your question, there is only one way to be One together as Jesus and the Father are one. And that is to hold to the teachings of the Scriptures.
Once that has been given up, true Christian unity is already destroyed. It can never been regained by compromising God’s truth.
Accordingly, the only way to achieve Christian unity is to separate from those who refuse to obey Scriptures. This is what the New Testament writers frequently command and when Christians stand up for truth that always strengthens the Church.
That’s one way to look at it. Another is through the political lens of this country. It would be folly to stand up a third party and expect to take over control of the Executive or Legislative Branches in a generation. What must be done is what Reagan did... use our energy to revitalize a conservative Republican party.
Just so with the Church. East split from West over the issue of authority near the first millenium. Protestant split from Catholic over the 95 Theses in the 15th Century. These schisms have scandalized the world and cause us to fight one another rather than reaping the harvest. What should have been done? What was done in the Catholic Church following the 95 Theses... within two popes, the Church was reformed.
We are the Body of Christ through His Marriage to His Bride, the Church. We do not strengthen the Body by lopping off parts when we disagree.
How can one attend a church that rejects Biblical authority?
That’s one way to look at it. Another is through the political lens of this country. It would be folly to stand up a third party and expect to take over control of the Executive or Legislative Branches in a generation. What must be done is what Reagan did... use our energy to revitalize a conservative Republican party.
Just so with the Church. East split from West over the issue of authority near the first millenium. Protestant split from Catholic over the 95 Theses in the 15th Century. These schisms have scandalized the world and cause us to fight one another rather than reaping the harvest. What should have been done? What was done in the Catholic Church following the 95 Theses... within two popes, the Church was reformed.
We are the Body of Christ through His Marriage to His Bride, the Church. We do not strengthen the Body by lopping off parts when we disagree.
It’s pretty naive to think that ELCA is a Christian church in the first place. (Cf. the book What’s Going On Among the Lutherans? by Leppien and Smith, which several decades ago showed just how bad the rot is. There may be Christians in the pews, but they need to get out of a pagan, anti-Christian institution.)
Minneapolis is the headquarters of Billy Graham and many of the members of the Lutheran Church in MN are old BG converts.
I personally know at pastors from at least 6 different conservative churches in MN who have been working for 25 years to move MN from a blue to red.
The gay community in Minnepolis is hard core liberal so extending a olive branch in that town simply creates as an end result, a liberal church.
We should not rejoice in the schism of a church, but we should rejoice that there are those who would not be led astray.
Surely, you don't mean the Catholic Church. If I'm wrong and you do actually mean the Catholic Church, I invite you to read what the Church believes and teaches on Sacred Scripture here.
I don’t want people to be led astray any further than they have already been... I want them to come home.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Keep a Good Lent!
Yes, but if they refuse to receive the truth and continue to call “Good Evil and Evil Good” then they need to be prayed for and let God bring conviction to their hearts....To accept openly gay priests is like accepting an unrepentant minister who lives in open adultery....If we don’t judge sin according to God’s Word then why would we need a savior in Christ?.....
Let me guess, you are Catholic.
No it wasn't. Perhaps the selling of indulgences and some of the other outrageous practices ceased, but other non-Scriptural practices remain, Justification stands out as one huge stumbling block. The various Marian practices as well are areas that Lutherans would disagree with Catholics.
We do not strengthen the Body by lopping off parts when we disagree.
The ELCA leadership is NOT promoting the Body of Christ in this latest round of antics. Of course if the Catholics want them....take them as they are....yeah I thought so.
Let me go on: the RC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, papal supremacy, papal infallability, purgatory, etc. are all things that confessional Lutherans reject, but the RC church has not. The Lutherans are not alone in this: the Eastern Orthodox Church rejects those teachings, as well.
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