Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu
The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:
Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14
Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18
Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41
Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29
Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29
Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22
Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15
Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34
Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19
An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9
An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3
Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16
Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14
Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)
The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25
Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22
The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)
The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.
Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.
Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.
Why are you asking me what I believe as you have already clearly pointed out that you know what I believe better than I know what I believe?
I suppose I could be wrong about what you believe personally, but I don’t think so. I know I am not wrong about what the LDS church teaches or what I was taught when I was LDS.
And the refusal to answer a simple question about what you claim you believe and the obfuscation here speaks volumes.
And I am expecting more obfuscation and that you will still fail to answer my question. Lurkers, take note.
My guess, they don’t know.
you may very well be right.
That is why there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you.
Thank you for confirming that reaganaut has stated clearly what the LDS heirarchy tells you to believe. Whether you believe it or not is no longer relevent to this thread. We appreciate you’re playing. There are no lovely parting gifts, but readers are getting an eyeful from you as an ‘apologist failed’ for the doctrines and mandates of Mormonism. Have a nice evening.
So this is how lds answer questions put to them? Don has been asked multiple times to express what he believes in his own words. Go ahead and tell us - I'm not ashamed to speak about my faith. The floor is yours Don, answer the questions.
I gave you an opportunity to state your personal beliefs and whether or not they agree with what I was taught when I was LDS and you did not.
Interesting.
LOL. Is that a real shirt? if so, I want one.
I already did, and you stated they did not.
LOL! You funny!
Post number please
Whether you believe it or not is no longer relevent to this thread.
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Individual thought and any variance from the LDS ‘party line’ is not only discouraged but can be grounds for excommunication. So often members do not investigate or harbor beliefs that oppose the LDS church.
Google the “September six” for info on 6 members who were disciplined for individual thought.
You’re still playing thus you’ve marginalized yoruself. You are the weakest link.
Whether you believe it or not is no longer relevent to this thread.
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Either way it does not matter much. It is a catch 22. If Don personally believes that the Bible is NOT inerrant and complete for matters of faith and doctrine then he has been misleading us.
If Don personally believes that the Bible IS inerrant and complete for matters of faith and doctrine then there is no need for continuing revelation or ‘extra’ scripture.
I would love to see that, could you post the number. I was unable to find it.
If on another thread, would you provide the link. Thanks.
Post number? Or you could just answer the question posed here:
Do you, as a member of the LDS church, personally believe that the Bible is incorrupt and complete, esp in matters of faith and doctrine?
Don’t be lazy, it’s all there.
LOL! You are funny!
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