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Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible? (Ecumenical)
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14

Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41

Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29

Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29

Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22

Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34

Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19

An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9

An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3

Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16

Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14

Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)

The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25

Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22

The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.

Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.

Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; bible; christian; ecumenical; lds; lostbooks; mormon
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To: restornu
"Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14"

The writings of Enoch are a well used volume for many. It is the most messianic of all of the early writings.

201 posted on 02/20/2010 4:25:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: reaganaut

Stop whinning Geez!


202 posted on 02/20/2010 4:26:24 PM PST by restornu
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To: TheDon

Very little if anything is known about the how the NT came to be.

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That is not true, the books I listed above give very good evidence of the transmission and canonization process. Peter Brown has also done a lot of work on the Christianize process as well. This is not an area of historical mystery.


203 posted on 02/20/2010 4:27:38 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: TheDon

The history of the modern LDS scriptures is in stark contrast, i.e. the original authors are known and the history of the scriptures to the current date is known.

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That is laughable since there is no “gold plates” or mss support for the Book of Mormon. We do have the Book of Abraham papyrus but those prove the BoA to be a fraud.

Unless of course by the ‘original authors’ you mean Joseph Smith.


204 posted on 02/20/2010 4:30:31 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu
You are the one that keeps bringing it up

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205 posted on 02/20/2010 4:32:56 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
it states that I pulled it. Go ahead, put the link up.

Happy now!


206 posted on 02/20/2010 4:34:03 PM PST by restornu
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To: reaganaut

You teif that from me!:)


207 posted on 02/20/2010 4:35:52 PM PST by restornu
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To: TheDon

NT textual criticism can be rather dry material

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You don’t have to tell me, I’ve been in the field for 15 years. ;)

And it is not the ‘devout’ that have issues with Ehrman, it is other scholars who are not Christians or even practicing Jews. Other scholars don’t respect his work because his atheism distorts his scholarship. We expect scholars to maintain at leas some objectivity rather than be ‘kidnapped by their pet theories’ like Ehrman.

I suggest you check out reputable scholars like FF Bruce.


208 posted on 02/20/2010 4:37:39 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu

That is not what the page says. Provide a link, not a graphic.


209 posted on 02/20/2010 4:40:37 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BlueMoose

Rev 22: 18-19. One verse from the end of the book.


210 posted on 02/20/2010 4:41:05 PM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: TheDon

I suppose you would also recommend E.A. Wallis Budge?


211 posted on 02/20/2010 5:08:41 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Religion Moderator
Leave the thread.<>From the LOOKs of it; I've not even been here! ;^)
212 posted on 02/20/2010 7:15:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

‘teif’? Please define. That word is new to me!


213 posted on 02/20/2010 8:08:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: reaganaut

I was referring to the Doctrine and Covenants. :-)


214 posted on 02/20/2010 9:13:43 PM PST by TheDon
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To: reaganaut
Other scholars don’t respect his work because his atheism distorts his scholarship.

Again facts are facts. Attacking the messenger doesn't change the facts.

215 posted on 02/20/2010 9:15:05 PM PST by TheDon
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To: reaganaut
That is not true, the books I listed above give very good evidence of the transmission and canonization process. Peter Brown has also done a lot of work on the Christianize process as well. This is not an area of historical mystery.

It would take a very low standard of evidence to believe that. It is indeed an area of historical mystery. For Mormons it does not impact our reverence of the NT as we have modern revelation that confirms the NT. We don't share many false traditions regarding scriptures such as inerrancy. Such traditions tend to distort the views of scholars regarding the NT.

216 posted on 02/20/2010 9:19:25 PM PST by TheDon
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To: restornu; reaganaut

CARM is allowed.


217 posted on 02/20/2010 9:50:53 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: nysuperdoodle
Thank you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A18-19&version=KJV

I found it.

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to

I can't believe that John is the only Prophet that we have.

Why were the other books added to the Bible ?

218 posted on 02/20/2010 10:34:57 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Religion Moderator

When did that change?

Guess Chick is next!:)


219 posted on 02/20/2010 10:48:46 PM PST by restornu
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you for clearing that up.


220 posted on 02/20/2010 10:55:18 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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