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Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible? (Ecumenical)
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14

Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41

Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29

Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29

Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22

Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34

Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19

An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9

An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3

Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16

Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14

Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)

The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25

Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22

The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.

Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.

Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; bible; christian; ecumenical; lds; lostbooks; mormon
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To: Genoa; Salvation; SkyPilot

Salvation...

Courtesy PING to respextful warm regards towards you in Post #162

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163 posted on 02/20/2010 6:57:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; Salvation; SkyPilot

Oops, forgot to courtesy. Thanks!


164 posted on 02/20/2010 6:59:44 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: restornu
God will not interfere with free will

Quoting from Bruce Almighty?

165 posted on 02/20/2010 7:02:12 AM PST by genetic homophobe
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To: Genoa

You’re welcome

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166 posted on 02/20/2010 7:02:38 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

Leave the thread.


167 posted on 02/20/2010 8:12:43 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: SkyPilot

If you wish to discuss such issues, start an “open” RF thread to do so. They are inappropriate on an “ecumenical” thread.


168 posted on 02/20/2010 8:14:26 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Elsie; SkyPilot

Wow! You don’t have to tell me. I’m gone too.


169 posted on 02/20/2010 8:44:02 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Religion Moderator

Has this thread been unlocked?


170 posted on 02/20/2010 9:23:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: greyfoxx39

It’s locked as far as I’m concerned.


171 posted on 02/20/2010 9:31:14 AM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: reaganaut; BlueMoose; teppe
Scripture interprets Scripture. IOW, the Bible interprets itself, feelings do not interpret the Bible.

If our ‘feelings’ go against what the Bible says, then our feelings are what is wrong.

And if our ‘feelings’ lead us to a different Gospel than what is in the Bible then our feelings are wrong.

Quite simple.

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Wrong

Here is a good example shown by Jesus him self felt in His spirit something was troubling Him.

John 13
21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

Ecclesiastes 8
1 Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? a man’s wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed.

2 I counsel thee to keep the king’s commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God.

3 Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him.

4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man’s heart discerneth both time and judgment.

This should put to rest The heart is deceitful above all things yes when it does not keep the commandments of the Lord or imagine evil!

Prov. 12:
20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.

Jer. 17:
9 ¶ The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Those who keepeth the commandments of the Lord!

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And those who keepeth the commandments of the Lord will understand the language of the lord's because the spirit is able to Dicern, witness, understand the burning bosom, theses are the ways of the Lord to communicate with our spirit through and by the power of the Holy Spirit!

Luke 24
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

1 Kgs. 3:
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people? • • • 11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;

Ezek. 44:
23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean

Mal. 3:
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

1 Cor. 2:
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Heb. 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

172 posted on 02/20/2010 9:59:28 AM PST by restornu
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To: greyfoxx39

Yes, it is unlocked. It is still an “ecumenical” RF thread meaning NO ANTAGONISM is allowed.


173 posted on 02/20/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Genoa; greyfoxx39
See what I mean (#168).

You have to restrict yourself to even discussing the 'restrictions.'

What a terrible Pandora's box was opened, just because a very small minority of people here were not comfortable debating their side.

174 posted on 02/20/2010 10:25:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: TheDon; Godzilla

Mormons know alot more about how scriptures are made than traditional christianity.
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That is not true.

I have taken Bible classes at BYU and several other major Universities (both private and public). My BYU classes were the worst and the weakest.


175 posted on 02/20/2010 10:37:38 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu

That is misinterpretation of scripture.


176 posted on 02/20/2010 10:44:23 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: TheDon

forgot to ping you

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2454893/posts?page=172#172


178 posted on 02/20/2010 11:10:25 AM PST by restornu
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To: reaganaut

Thank you for sharing!


179 posted on 02/20/2010 11:10:56 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

You are welcome!


180 posted on 02/20/2010 11:16:28 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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