LDS writer tackles little-known Book of Mormon character

Ogden Standard-Examiner ^ | Jan. 29, 2010 | JaNae Francis

[mgist]

Too many people confuse our love for God's gifts that are special to us. Like the amazing example He gave of a "perfect woman" in Jesus' mother. We believe Mary to be "the woman clothed with the sun," the one who God said would crush the head of the serpent in Gen. 3:15. Because she is such a danger to satan, satan tried to kill her even after the Savior was born (Rev. 12:13). The angel Gabriel called Mary, "full of Grace", and we do the same.

She is the spiritual mother of all Christians who continues to glorify God in our spiritual battles.

Catholics know that to God, the most important aspect of our Christianity is love. Our love for God, and his gifts to us, should not be confused with "veneration". I hope your fear of veneration, doesn't interfere with your love.

Catholics clearly know it is highly offensive to God to worship for example "Pachamama" (mother earth) etc. We hold those dedicated to God, and those who gave testimony for God, in high esteem. That doesn't mean we worship them. We ask them to pray for us, just like you would a loved one who passed away. Our souls are eternal and we believe that those who died for God continue the spiritual battle fighting for God's kingdom.

As an example, I enjoy reading Joyce Meyer, I would share her example and testimony with anyone it would benefit. If after everything she has done, died for her faith, I believe she would be worthy of recognition and honor in our Christian history. In the Catholic church, her life work and testimony, would possible qualify for sainthood. There are people's lives she has saved, and hearts she has touched. Those people may not know her personally but they are still gratefull and may even love her as a spiritual sister. She gave testimony of her faith to others, and honoring her, continues that testimony. That doesn't mean we worship her.

Speaking of the talented Joyce Meyer, did her words all come directly from the bible? NO - For Catholics, that doesn't mean what she has written worthless.

For those that reject the centuries of beautiful biblical philosophy from early and recent Catholics because they are not "Scripture" only, I'm sure they are intellectually honest enough to apply the same standards which would reject the writings of Joyce Meyer, right?

[Elsie]

 

Not sure where Saundra got that quote, but the only inspiration JS had, IMO, was satanic.

 

WhereEVER would you get  THAT   idea???

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KJV

 Galatians 1:6-9

 6.  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 

 

 

 

ANYBODY???

 

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

 

 

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15

 12.  But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
 13.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 15.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

 

Like THESE guys??

 

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 

 

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

 

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Ephesians 2:1-2 

1.  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

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1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

 

2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[Elsie]

They do little else.

All righty then!

[Elsie]

See, Jesus is God, and Jesus founded the Catholic Church. He was the first convert.

All righty then!!

[Elsie]

We believe Mary to be "the woman clothed with the sun,"

the one who God said would crush the head of the serpent in Gen. 3:15.

Did Mary then get sore feet?

 

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God informs the serpent he will put enmity between the serpent and the woman. This is reinforced by the second part of the sentence, “between your offspring and hers.” The Hebrew word זֶרַע - zera - is the same for “offspring” and “seed”, accounting for the difference in English translations, but in both cases the word is masculine.

The second sentence begins with a personal pronoun.

The word may refer either to the “woman”, or may refer to the offspring or seed of the woman.

Thus the beginning of the second part of Genesis 3:15 is translated primarily in two ways.

Both the Latin Vulgate and the Douay-Rheims translations convey this passage as “she will crush your head, while you strike at his heel “...

    whereas the King James version, the Revised Standard Version, and the NIV read “he will crush your head...”

 

In view of the epicene personal pronoun (one form to indicate both male and female sex) as described above, both are correct.

 

"I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
He/She will crush your head,
while you strike at his heel."

Genesis 3:15

[T Minus Four]

What denomination did you switch to?

If you have ask to that, I don't think you'll be able to understand my answer.

I am not "a denomination". I am a Christian. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. I am a student of the bible.

I fellowship and worship at a Baptist Church (and was publically baptised there) but I do not consider myself "a Baptist". Anywhere there are gathered Bible-believing Christians, there I belong.

If my place of worship begins to veer away from the truths in the bible, I am out the door. Well ok, first I would go to the leadership and state my concerns. Our pastor has ruefully admitted that members of the church have not hesitated to do so in the past:-)

We are not robots and we submit to the authority of God, not other humans.

[Elsie]

Anywhere there are gathered Bible-believing Christians, there I belong.

AMEN!!!

[Elsie]

Hey! 

 

We Mormons believe in the Bible, too!!

 

^{As long as it's translated CORRECTLY...)}

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[SZonian]

Would this post be considered a form of "making it personal"?

To: SZonian

Your head has been spinning for years.

115 posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:52:45 PM by BlueMoose

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I requested clarification from BM numerous times only to get a smartass reply.

I suspect that the line that differentiates what is personal to whom is pretty thin? Do I get to determine what is "making it personal" or is that judgement reserved solely for the RM?

Does this mean that we are to hit the "abuse" button every time because we feel we are offended, kind of like "squealing to teacher"?

I will make a concerted effort not to cross the line again, but will make no guarantees about replies to posters such as that who fire the first shot. I'll take "my medicine" from the RM's if need be, but I will not grant a "free pass" to the likes of them.

SZ

[reaganaut]

I am not “a denomination”. I am a Christian. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. I am a student of the bible.

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Far to many people who claim Christ think that it is all about a denomination.

Christ is outside denominational differences.

[Religion Moderator]

From my profile page: "If the other guy in the dispute was given a warning, consider yourself warned as well."

The principle is that two wrongs do not make a right.

[SZonian]

Thanks, your last paragraph should be at the top of your page. It’s a humble, yet prescient reminder.

FRegards,
SZ

[Colofornian]

“When I began to study and had to be very specific, I thought either Joseph Smith was a verifiable genius or it had to be inspired.”

I believe both are true. [SD]

Well both are "true" (to a degree): I mean if I plagiarized portions of the Bible, that which were exact quotations of the Bible would still be inspired! (And Smith copied thousands & thousands of words line by line from the Bible...he paraphrased thousands of other words from Biblical phrases...sometimes even leaving in italicized notes added by KJV translators that weren't in the original Hebrew text of the book of Isaiah)

As for the "genius" label, Joseph Smith's mom already knew he was an ingenius story teller by the time he was 17!

"During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of the continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them. On the twenty-second of September, 1824, Joseph again visited the place where he found the plates the year previous; and supporting at this time that the only thing required, in order to possess them until the time for their translation, was to be able to keep the commandments of God...he fully expected to carry them home with him. (Lucy Mack Smith, edited by Preston Nibley, History of Joseph Smith, p. 83, Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, 1958)

What Mormons often miss in this account is that Lucy Mack Smith was saying Joseph gave these storied details before he ever even "interpreted" these gold plates. [The context of her story is that Smith is age 17 & he's about to retrieve the gold plates again a year after being given them...and he's yet to interpret them]. A lot of Smith's "make-up ability" was already there; plus was no doubt influenced by other author(s) of his era -- all part of his active, imaginative mind!

[narses]

“We are not robots and we submit to the authority of God, not other humans.”

Did not Our Lord appoint MEN as Apostles? Did they not have HIS authority on earth?

[Doctor Don]

Mormons are good people. They are not God’s people! Fella, you need the nap!

[SZonian]

You were the one yawning, LOL!

Anyway, thanks for bumping the thread.

FRegards,
SZ