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To: NoGrayZone
Just a question....when Jesus was here on earth, do you believe he was just a mere man, a servant like the rest...or man and God at the same time?

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

We can not see God...We have to look at Jesus to see God...

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So who was it that created the earth and all that there is??? Although many religions claim to believe in the Trinity, some religions have different views of what the Trinity really is...

As one can see in these scriptures, God says He is the Creator while in many passages Jesus is given the credit for being the Creator...

Then in John it says that the Word was with God, but then the Word IS God...

The way that I view the Trinity is that there are three, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...They are three, but also, they are one...

Of course that doesn't make much sense to the human mind...One might look at it and compare it to water...Water can be in the form of ice; it can take the form of a mist, or a fog or a cloud, and it is of course, a liquid...

One fella compares it to a football, or a tire...They have an outer shell, an inner tube, and they are filled with air...They are separately three, but yet they are one...

Jesus says that if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father...But yes they are separate, but they are One...

8,131 posted on 02/03/2010 7:20:25 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I like your explanation....

Regarding this "One fella compares it to a football, or a tire...They have an outer shell, an inner tube, and they are filled with air...They are separately three, but yet they are one..."

To me, they are not one, but acting in unison.

Another problem I have saying Jesus is God and God is Jesus (I do believe Jesus is of God)is I believe it takes away from Jesus' glory.

Philippians 2:8-10 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

God didn't exalt Himself, but His Son, because He kept His Fathers commandments as a man, a mere servant.

I just think it takes away from Jesus' glory. God gave Him a name, above all things in heaven and earth, which is why no one gets to the Father except through the Son.

8,137 posted on 02/03/2010 7:54:23 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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